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Old February 19 2011, 05:40 PM   #931
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Re: Whatever happened to Starship Exeter?

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At least two, actually.
I was thinking mathematically. You need at least three terms to be able to guess the pattern. No offense.
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Old February 19 2011, 09:01 PM   #932
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At least two, actually.
I was thinking mathematically. You need at least three terms to be able to guess the pattern. No offense.
For what it's worth, the Emmy Awards has the following eligibility criteria:

"Rule 13a. If a comedy or drama series is canceled or discontinued and five or fewer episodes first aired in
the current eligibility year, the series is ineligible."

So, for Emmy consideration, a "series" needs six episodes. (I think fewer than that and it would have to be considered a "mini-series" and would only be eligible in that category.)
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Old February 20 2011, 07:08 AM   #933
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So, would we have 1 3/4 pilots so far?
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Old February 20 2011, 07:45 AM   #934
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Emmy criteria are about as relevant to fan films as Oscar, Hugo and Nebula criteria.
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Old February 21 2011, 05:46 AM   #935
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Isn't there a Hugo category for fan films? I seem to recall fanzines getting something.
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Old February 21 2011, 05:59 AM   #936
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There are 'zine, writer and artist awards (as well as a "semiprozine" award, which sounds like it was probably an effort to "promote" a couple of expensive fanzines out of qualifying and winning the fanzine award year after year). Any film has to compete in one of the two Dramatic Presentation categories against professional productions - outside of a virtually impossible logrolling effort, there is no chance for a fan film to win either category.
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Old February 21 2011, 09:36 AM   #937
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Well, maybe it's about time there was a fan film category.

After all, it's not like there are only Star Trek fan films being made, and the production standards have come a long way since the day when you took the family Super 8 camera, slapped a hand drawn insignia on that ugly orange sweatshirt and filmed yourself in the backyard with the alien creature that bore an uncanny resemblance to the family dog spray painted green...
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Old February 21 2011, 12:50 PM   #938
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the day when you took the family Super 8 camera, slapped a hand drawn insignia on that ugly orange sweatshirt and filmed yourself in the backyard with the alien creature that bore an uncanny resemblance to the family dog spray painted green...
You saw that? We had fun filming it.
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Old February 21 2011, 03:02 PM   #939
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Any film has to compete in one of the two Dramatic Presentation categories against professional productions - outside of a virtually impossible logrolling effort, there is no chance for a fan film to win either category.
Yeah, but World Enough and Time was nominated for Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form, 2008 Hugo Award, although it lost to Doctor Who “Blink”. Isn't a nomination a significant milestone, at least?
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Old February 21 2011, 03:35 PM   #940
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It's a nice thing. I was nominated for a Nebula back in the mists of prehistory, and my prize is that I get to drop that in conversation for the rest of my life every time I feel like attracting undue attention to myself for no good reason - as a deep-dyed narcissist, I find that very satisfying.

As you say, though, it lost. Not only WEAT lost to "Blink," so did all of the professional competition in the category. There is no second place award and no consolation prize. As the old in-joke goes, "it's an honor just to be nominated."

OTOH, there's always the Golden Globes. Paging Ricky Gervais.

WEAT is the only Trek fan production I've seen that meets all of the minimal standards of competence for a professional production across the board - everything. Some parts of it are quite good; the worst parts of it are good enough, IMAO, to actually be on television.

As much as I admire a lot of fan films there's not one besides WEAT I've seen that you can actually say that about - the best fall down in one area or another, and my personal bias is that it's most likely to be in the writing. DS9Sega has a good thread going about addressing a lot of the shortcomings in fan films that I believe is currently focusing really nicely on camera angles and editing.

I guess I should always qualify that by saying Trek fan films, because I haven't seen a lot of the others - I hear real good things about Browncoat Redemption, for instance, but missed my chance to buy a copy of that this weekend so I can't proffer an opinion.
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Old February 22 2011, 05:13 AM   #941
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Hm. Most of what I've heard about Browncoat Redemption is that it stinks on ice, but likewise, I haven't seen it as yet.
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Old February 22 2011, 06:54 PM   #942
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Hm. Most of what I've heard about Browncoat Redemption is that it stinks on ice, but likewise, I haven't seen it as yet.
Just saw a trailer on Youtube... boy did it stink.

Now Nuka-Break based on the video game Fallout 3 is pretty damn entertaining.
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Old February 22 2011, 07:11 PM   #943
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Doesn't sound like any credible threats to Transformers 3 come awards time, then.

Fan films have their own rationale and exist for now on their own terms for people who enjoy them. Striving toward professional standards and continual improvement is absolutely what we ought to be doing - but that's not the same as to say that we should imagine that we're playing in the same arena as professionals. Nor are we doing ourselves any favors by aping the promotional apparatus of producers who are competing in the commercial marketplace...which is why, for example, I find the occasionally bruited about idea of "fan film awards" loathsome in every respect.
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Old February 22 2011, 07:36 PM   #944
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Doesn't sound like any credible threats to Transformers 3 come awards time, then.

Fan films have their own rationale and exist for now on their own terms for people who enjoy them. Striving toward professional standards and continual improvement is absolutely what we ought to be doing - but that's not the same as to say that we should imagine that we're playing in the same arena as professionals. Nor are we doing ourselves any favors by aping the promotional apparatus of producers who are competing in the commercial marketplace...which is why, for example, I find the occasionally bruited about idea of "fan film awards" loathsome in every respect.
I pretty much agree with that.
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Old February 22 2011, 07:43 PM   #945
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There are groups that start out making fan films, acquire experience and a network of folks who are dedicated to the projects and then start interacting with other independent film makers...and eventually move on to projects in which they have more expansive creators' rights and control. Cawley Entertainment Company's Buck Rogers project is interesting in that regard - they have a license, they can leverage their existing organization and skills, and the brief scene they've released online strikes me as completely professional (whether one likes or dislikes the content and approach is personal taste, IMAO).

The big entertainment companies have made several less-than-successful forays into producing original content for the Internet - I don't think the "breakthrough" property is going to come from there. The economies and accounting structures of the major studios are not a good fit.
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