New Vulcan

Penndragon · February 21 2011, 04:05 AM

Hello to all,

I was wondering concerning the new movie of ST with Spock in the Past and the time line.

Considering that Young Spock...(Quinto) is going on to be the Spock we now know and love in the TV series and Movies and the Shall we say Original Older SPOCK in the same Time-Line Does this not cause a conflict in the Line?

I know Vulcan Philosophy is basically based on SURAK and his teaching...BUT...Doesn't The Old Spock findinng a suitable planet for the vulcan to Re-Habitate and Continue their Existence...Would that not make SPOCK (Past-Leonard Nimoy) the new founder of Vulcan Philiosophies and existances.

Continuing to STNG -- Spock on ROMULUS, while there sais he saw a similiarilty to Vulcans etc...and remained to Teach the philosophies etc.. Could it be His influence in the Past and the Situation with NERO and the time travels??

Thanks As we say in SCi-FI anything is Possible.??

Phil Montreal Quebec Canada.

Mr. Laser Beam · February 21 2011, 04:42 AM

^ The new timeline established in ST XI exists alongside the old. It doesn't replace the original timeline.

Nerys Myk · February 21 2011, 05:20 AM

Penndragon wrote:

Hello to all,

I was wondering concerning the new movie of ST with Spock in the Past and the time line.

Considering that Young Spock...(Quinto) is going on to be the Spock we now know and love in the TV series and Movies and the Shall we say Original Older SPOCK in the same Time-Line Does this not cause a conflict in the Line?

Nope, both Spocks will forge their own paths in this new realty. The Spock in the older reality will follow the path we've seen, ending with his attempt to save Romulas and winding up in the new reality.

I know Vulcan Philosophy is basically based on SURAK and his teaching...BUT...Doesn't The Old Spock findinng a suitable planet for the vulcan to Re-Habitate and Continue their Existence...Would that not make SPOCK (Past-Leonard Nimoy) the new founder of Vulcan Philiosophies and existances.

Nope. Vulcans will continue to follow the Philosophies of Surak as they have for millennia. the Elder Spock has not set himself up as the founder of a new philosophy.

Continuing to STNG -- Spock on ROMULUS, while there sais he saw a similiarilty to Vulcans etc...and remained to Teach the philosophies etc.. Could it be His influence in the Past and the Situation with NERO and the time travels??

Thanks As we say in SCi-FI anything is Possible.??

We've no idea if the Spock of this reality will take up the mission of Reunification as the Elder Spock did. The Vulcans and Romulans of this reality are already on a different path than the ones we've seen in the older reality.

od0_ital · February 21 2011, 09:05 AM

^

Well, the Vulcans are certainly on a new path. The Romulans could well remain the isolationists they've almost always been shown to be.

Ar-Pharazon · February 21 2011, 04:57 PM

If we remember how the Vulcans acted in Enterprise, we must assume they are considering "new" Vulcan to be the only Vulcan that ever existed.

"Time travel is impossible because we say it is"

Revisionist history, it's logical.

Nerys Myk · February 22 2011, 01:57 AM

Ar-Pharazon wrote:

If we remember how the Vulcans acted in Enterprise, we must assume they are considering "new" Vulcan to be the only Vulcan that ever existed.

"Time travel is impossible because we say it is"

Revisionist history, it's logical.

But those Vulcan did not have their planet destroyed by a time traveling Romulan.

teacake · February 22 2011, 02:24 AM

ENT Vulcans were pre New Vulcan. And pre Old Vulcan in prime timeline. ENT history is the history of both time lines.

Ar-Pharazon · February 22 2011, 10:16 AM

^ Exactly, so the Vulcan attitude we saw in ENT could still prevail.

"This is the same planet we've always lived on"

Kirk scratches his head, "but..."

PikeFan · February 22 2011, 10:24 AM

The odd thing about nuVulcan is they are so similar to ENT Vulcans. I'm thinking that the replaced/displaced may become isolated again. What would be cool in the sequel there was a follow up on them, like the crew helping the displaced Vulcans. I don't know....

Nerys Myk · February 23 2011, 01:52 AM

Ar-Pharazon wrote:

^ Exactly, so the Vulcan attitude we saw in ENT could still prevail.

"This is the same planet we've always lived on"

Kirk scratches his head, "but..."

Denying the existance of time travel is probably based on science rather than being stubborn. The destruction Vulcan is a verifiable fact.

T'Girl · February 23 2011, 10:41 AM

od0_ital wrote:

The Romulans could well remain the isolationists they've almost always been shown to be.

But the alternate Romulans are different than those the the Prime timeline, in so far as being not as isolationist.

nuChristopher Pike recognized Nero quickly as a Romulan, something the prime universe Pike of the same year wouldn't have been able to do.

Penndragon wrote:

Doesn't The Old Spock finding a suitable planet for the Vulcan to Re-Habitate and Continue their Existence...

Would that not make SPOCK (Past-Leonard Nimoy) the new founder of Vulcan Philosophies and existences.

No, that would make prime Spock their real estate agent.

Hythlodeus · February 23 2011, 03:19 PM

T'Girl wrote:

nuChristopher Pike recognized Nero quickly as a Romulan, something the prime universe Pike of the same year wouldn't have been able to do.

because those Romulans on the Narada destroyed the USS Kelvin a few years ago. NuPike wrote a paper about it.

T'Girl · February 23 2011, 05:04 PM

Hythlodeus wrote:

T'Girl wrote:

nuChristopher Pike recognized Nero quickly as a Romulan, something the prime universe Pike of the same year wouldn't have been able to do.

because those Romulans on the Narada destroyed the USS Kelvin a few years ago. NuPike wrote a paper about it.

Captain Pike indicated to Nero that he could contact the Romulan leadership and arrange a conference.

Again, something the prime universe Pike of the same year wouldn't have been able to do. Perhaps stemming from the earlier Narada attack, or through other differences in the alternate universe, communication between the Federation and the Romulan Empire were possible in the year 2258. Pike's statement left no doubt that he could have accomplish the communication.

The_Baron · February 23 2011, 05:34 PM

Nothing's ever been said in the Prime timeline that there was no way of contacting the romulan government should the need arise.

Romulans were little seen, but both sides would be silly to cut all communication ties after the war.

Even during the cold war the Soviet union and the USA's leaders were able to contact each other should the need arise - that's probably the biggest counterpart to it in our reality.

BillJ · February 23 2011, 08:09 PM

The_Baron wrote:

Nothing's ever been said in the Prime timeline that there was no way of contacting the romulan government should the need arise.

Something changed... as Pike was able to recognize Nero as a Romulan. In 2265, Spock said that neither side had visual contact with the other... hence the surprise when we see the Romulan commander in Balance of Terror.

February 21 2011, 04:05 AM	#1
Penndragon Cadet Location: Montreal, Quebec Canada	New Vulcan Hello to all, I was wondering concerning the new movie of ST with Spock in the Past and the time line. Considering that Young Spock...(Quinto) is going on to be the Spock we now know and love in the TV series and Movies and the Shall we say Original Older SPOCK in the same Time-Line Does this not cause a conflict in the Line? I know Vulcan Philosophy is basically based on SURAK and his teaching...BUT...Doesn't The Old Spock findinng a suitable planet for the vulcan to Re-Habitate and Continue their Existence...Would that not make SPOCK (Past-Leonard Nimoy) the new founder of Vulcan Philiosophies and existances. Continuing to STNG -- Spock on ROMULUS, while there sais he saw a similiarilty to Vulcans etc...and remained to Teach the philosophies etc.. Could it be His influence in the Past and the Situation with NERO and the time travels?? Thanks As we say in SCi-FI anything is Possible.?? Phil Montreal Quebec Canada.

February 21 2011, 04:42 AM	#2
Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Location: The visitor's bullpen	Re: New Vulcan ^ The new timeline established in ST XI exists alongside the old. It doesn't replace the original timeline. __________________ It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

February 21 2011, 09:05 AM	#4
od0_ital Admiral Location: Austin, Texas	Re: New Vulcan ^ Well, the Vulcans are certainly on a new path. The Romulans could well remain the isolationists they've almost always been shown to be. __________________ od0's bucket od0's facebook

February 21 2011, 04:57 PM	#5
Ar-Pharazon Admiral of the Rear	Re: New Vulcan If we remember how the Vulcans acted in Enterprise, we must assume they are considering "new" Vulcan to be the only Vulcan that ever existed. "Time travel is impossible because we say it is" Revisionist history, it's logical.

February 22 2011, 02:24 AM	#7
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: New Vulcan ENT Vulcans were pre New Vulcan. And pre Old Vulcan in prime timeline. ENT history is the history of both time lines. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

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February 22 2011, 10:16 AM	#8
Ar-Pharazon Admiral of the Rear	Re: New Vulcan ^ Exactly, so the Vulcan attitude we saw in ENT could still prevail. "This is the same planet we've always lived on" Kirk scratches his head, "but..."

February 22 2011, 10:24 AM	#9
PikeFan Commander Location: In My Writing Room	Re: New Vulcan The odd thing about nuVulcan is they are so similar to ENT Vulcans. I'm thinking that the replaced/displaced may become isolated again. What would be cool in the sequel there was a follow up on them, like the crew helping the displaced Vulcans. I don't know.... __________________ Pike: What're you doing here? Kirk: Just following orders! Me: Thanks Jim!

February 23 2011, 05:34 PM	#14
The_Baron Commander Location: Bournemouth, UK	Re: New Vulcan Nothing's ever been said in the Prime timeline that there was no way of contacting the romulan government should the need arise. Romulans were little seen, but both sides would be silly to cut all communication ties after the war. Even during the cold war the Soviet union and the USA's leaders were able to contact each other should the need arise - that's probably the biggest counterpart to it in our reality.