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Old February 9 2011, 12:40 AM   #331
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Re: Exploring the Uncharted Territories: A Farscape Viewing Experience

^ As long as it's not as bad as the disaster of the mess that the Dead Like Me DVD movie is PW will be fine.

I have three episodes left, I have completely slowed down. There is more on TV now, no more reruns, and I don't have PKW yet so I figured there is no rush. Plus the first few seasons really drew me in, and season 4 hasn't done that. It's good, I was amazed they made it to Earth, and the wormhole thing was amazing, but it didn't feel connected or flowed as much as seasons 2 and 3 where you just need to watch it.

So I'm savoring the moments.
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Old February 9 2011, 10:38 AM   #332
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- When I briefly mentioned Aeryn's prayers in "Prayer," I neglected to also say how strange it was to see Aeryn praying. She's never come across as a spiritual/religious individual; quite the opposite, in fact, and she of course would be the first to assert that herself. Strange indeed, but it also felt quite appropriate for the situation.
Not only that, but is should be noted that having Aeryn pray doesn't compromise her character. I've seen situations where a show makes a character do something unfamiliar that ultimately damages the character.

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- I think there are three lines in this episode that compete for "best line of the episode": ... "Are we cursed? Could we be cursed?!" On that last one, it's about time someone actually voiced that question, and my answer would be "you sure are."
It gets even better. In Farscape: The Peacekeeper Wars, Chiana says "We're cursed, D'Argo. Everything we touch." These two quotes were my signature for a long time.

The show not only remembers small moments and character histories, it also remembers quotes. Compare the "Time" quotes between "Unrealized Reality" and The Peacekeeper Wars or Crichton remarking on fate when he and Aeryn crash in between two ridges on Moya in The Peacekeeper Wars, referring back to a moment early in season 1 (I don't recall which episode).

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- John really likes to blow dren up, doesn't he? Gammak base, Shadow Depository, Scarran Dreadnought, Katratzi... No wonder he's gained legendary status in the Territories.
I love how each season's ending (although not finale) escalates the level of destruction Crichton and company commits. Naturally, the mini-series takes it to a whole new level.

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- Of course, happiness on this show is so fleeting... Holy shit, I cannot believe that was how the series would have ended without PKW. That's frelling depressing as hell.
You can't begin to imagine the level of pain us fans felt at the time. We knew when the episode aired that the series was canceled. D'Argo's shrill was a mere echo of my own.
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Old February 9 2011, 06:46 PM   #333
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You can't begin to imagine the level of pain us fans felt at the time. We knew when the episode aired that the series was canceled. D'Argo's shrill was a mere echo of my own.
Yeah......I remember watching that and feeling torn between thinking that that was an incredibly unsatisfying place to leave the characters in the series, but at the same time kind of a perfect Farscape ending if that's what we ended up getting. While I'm really glad we got the PK wars, I could have probably lived with that finale as it was.

I had a similar reaction to Angel's finale too, though I think Angel's ending was a bit more intentional and sent a specific message with how it ended.
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Old February 9 2011, 07:12 PM   #334
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- When I briefly mentioned Aeryn's prayers in "Prayer," I neglected to also say how strange it was to see Aeryn praying. She's never come across as a spiritual/religious individual; quite the opposite, in fact, and she of course would be the first to assert that herself. Strange indeed, but it also felt quite appropriate for the situation.
Not only that, but is should be noted that having Aeryn pray doesn't compromise her character. I've seen situations where a show makes a character do something unfamiliar that ultimately damages the character.
The thing was, Aeryn praying was a way of showing just how bad things were for her. If Aeryn of all people was reduced for praying for someone to rescue her, then that's some deep shit.
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Old February 9 2011, 07:38 PM   #335
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I'd forgotten about this thread. Season 4, especially where you are, PsychoPere, is intensely intense.

I think one of the most powerful emotional scenes in the entire series is



One of my favorite quotes is in Hot To Katratzi, I think Part II but I'm not sure...

Staleek (to Crichton):
You're insane!
Aeryn: Isn't it fun?
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Old February 9 2011, 08:11 PM   #336
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Yeah, I rewatched the series a couple of times while we were all awaiting word on if anything more would come for Farscape and I'd gotten into the habit of embracing D'Argo's outburst as something almost cathartic in its depression.
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Old February 9 2011, 09:56 PM   #337
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I'm at the last episode....

I like how they were terrorist in the final trilogy, a suicide nuke bomb!? Wow. And his reaction to everything. Wow.

So I finished the show up. I have a bit of a head ache so I'll be short.

The finale episode was interesting. Except for the last minute it felt like they knew the show was ending. The beginning felt like I missed an episode or two again, and then the rest of the episode felt like they had warning... right until the end... that the show was ending. It would have been a fine ending.
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Old February 9 2011, 11:25 PM   #338
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You can't begin to imagine the level of pain us fans felt at the time. We knew when the episode aired that the series was canceled. D'Argo's shrill was a mere echo of my own.
Yeah......I remember watching that and feeling torn between thinking that that was an incredibly unsatisfying place to leave the characters in the series, but at the same time kind of a perfect Farscape ending if that's what we ended up getting. While I'm really glad we got the PK wars, I could have probably lived with that finale as it was.
I know I'm in a fringe minority on this, but I thought "Bad Timing" was the perfect Farscape ending. So utterly random.

PK Wars, OTOH, I was not a fan of. It was all so by the book. I could see how the main story was going to be resolved from a mile away.
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Old February 11 2011, 08:50 AM   #339
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Yeah, I still remember watching Bad Timing for the first time.... I was elated with the ending until the shocking swerve that happened in the last scene... I was still literally howling from the injustice of it all when my roommates came in on me tearing at the walls over that horrific ending...

Yeah, the wait until the miniseries was maddening...

Really, the series has a gift for taking tried and true storytelling devices that, with many lesser series, would have fell flat or failed miserably and managing to make it work. Farscape has a real talent for that that I've seen in very few series not touched by Joss Whedon (though to be fair, I love Farscape more than I even love Firefly... now there's a fantasy crossover I'd kill to see done well).

As for Aeryn's prayer... you're right, it's something that might have been a real OOC moment, given her self-sufficiency, but in this case, I agree, it's a moment for her character... especially since her motivation even in this extremity was not at all selfish. her concern was for her child and for John. I can't imagine Aeryn would ever pray for herself, but find it completely believable that she would for her offspring and her love...

The only thing about that that kind of threw me was the 'genetic memory' business regarding Aeryn's baby. So we're supposed to believe that Chrichton Jr.'s going to have all of John's wormhole knowledge in his head? That I found a little hard to swallow. Other than that, though, I found the series ending arc quite satisfying.

Harvey's return was rather epic, I have to say. I've really come to love him as a character in his own right, and, frankly, the Nosferatu reference was long, long, LONG overdue, and done masterfully... though my favorite has to be the Easter Bunny fight in 'Bad Timing'.

Either you believe and, therefore bunnies are unnecessary, or you don't. In which case - CHOCOLATE?
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Old February 11 2011, 08:58 AM   #340
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- That the flowers the Scarrans desire grow on Earth is another nice way of tying elements together and making Earth relevant to the larger galaxy, apart from any revenge one faction might wish to exact on Crichton by attacking the planet.
Speaking of this, on my recent rewatch, I realized for the first time that those flowers have been a recurring motif around Scorpius almost from the beginning. Somehow I completely managed to miss this before, but, especially on the scenes on the command carrier, you see them rotating around in his private quarters...

I wonder if that was the plan all along, to have these Earth plants be so important to the Scarrans....
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You know, any other series I've tried to get into featuring a romance as a front-and-center storytelling angle has been a failure for me. It's just not my cup of tea; I don't mind well-told romances so long as they aren't a huge part of the series but when they are, I get bored with it all.

Farscape is such the beautiful exception.
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Old February 11 2011, 09:31 AM   #342
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I wonder if that was the plan all along, to have these Earth plants be so important to the Scarrans....
Those flowers weren't from Earth. Crichton just made a bad joke and because of that the Scarrans thought that our planet is full of pretty little red flowers that enhance intelligence.
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Old February 11 2011, 10:13 AM   #343
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Harvey's return was rather epic, I have to say. I've really come to love him as a character in his own right, and, frankly, the Nosferatu reference was long, long, LONG overdue, and done masterfully...
Actually, the Nosferatu reference is a throwback all the way to Scorpius' first appearance in "Nerve" where Crichton called him that (in fact, I think that was the very first nickname he gave Scorpius, even before "Scorpy," which I believe Stark coined).

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- That the flowers the Scarrans desire grow on Earth is another nice way of tying elements together and making Earth relevant to the larger galaxy, apart from any revenge one faction might wish to exact on Crichton by attacking the planet.
Speaking of this, on my recent rewatch, I realized for the first time that those flowers have been a recurring motif around Scorpius almost from the beginning. Somehow I completely managed to miss this before, but, especially on the scenes on the command carrier, you see them rotating around in his private quarters...

I wonder if that was the plan all along, to have these Earth plants be so important to the Scarrans....
The flowers also appear in "Incubator" sometime during the recounting of Scorpius' past, although I can't recall the exact moment (but I want to say on the planet where his mother was raped).
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Old February 11 2011, 02:34 PM   #344
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I wonder if that was the plan all along, to have these Earth plants be so important to the Scarrans....
Those flowers weren't from Earth. Crichton just made a bad joke and because of that the Scarrans thought that our planet is full of pretty little red flowers that enhance intelligence.
Yeah it's not exactly the same type of flower because Earth Bird of Paradise don't have a mother planet... that we know of. But it's still cool the bad guy aliens want to take over because of a flower!

I actually like the ending, it fits the show. I listened to the commentary and the writer was like "this wasn't supposed to be the ending, we were thinknig of a 5th, 6th , 7th seasons". I can't even think of what crazy thing they would have done in season 7.
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...Farscape Peacekeeper Wars was definitely needed....
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