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Old February 4 2011, 09:13 PM   #331
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I think I read that somewhere not too long ago as well. I can't say I blame them. I get really distracted when I see an obviously altered face. Kind of like Elizabeth Mitchell's nose.
Last night I was watching CSI and I noticed that both Marg Helgenberger and Jorja Fox only seemed capable of moving the outer halves of their eyebrows. Botox?
Nicole Kidman and Marcia Cross from Desperate Housewives anyone?
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Old February 5 2011, 12:45 PM   #332
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http://www.latinoreview.com/news/exc...revealed-12492

1: Lois Lane WILL be in the film.
2: The character these lovely actresses have come out for is none other than a Kryptonian villainess who is going by the name of URSA.
Interesting...if true.
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Old February 5 2011, 12:49 PM   #333
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I've decided to step away from these reports until we get something tangible from DC Ent and Snyder. There's just been so many different reports based on rumors that it is frustrating.
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Old February 5 2011, 12:51 PM   #334
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[edit] ^ Pretty much.

I still like the idea of Zod as a villain and if Ursa is in this film than so will he. People forget when these characters were on the big screen...it was yesterday ...and a Superman movie isn't like Smallville...why I don't get Zod being a villain is a bad idea.
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Everyone wants to see Zod. Snyder said right away that Zod wouldn't be the villain in the movie so I'm not sure how Ursa is going to factor into this. I just find it hard to believe anything that's been reported right now.
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Old February 5 2011, 01:00 PM   #336
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It's possible they are only setting up Zod, Ursa, etc. in this installment and alluding a bigger appearance in a sequel. We don't know what involvement they might have, if any (providing that article has a shred of credence, which it might not).

If this film centers mostly around Clark's origins, it is possible that Zod, Ursa and other Kryptonians have a presence but aren't the actual villains this time around.

It would be slightly comedic and ironic, though, if Kryptonians are the villains of the film since Superman Returns co-writer Michael Doughterty basically admitted that Kryptonians would have been the villains for the proposed Returns sequel which had the alleged working title The Man of Steel. I would just find it funny that after all the negative backlash Superman Returns received from fans, that the next big screen incarnation of Superman would essentially have the same villains as the Returns sequel would have had with (tentatively) the same title.
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Old February 5 2011, 03:20 PM   #337
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Everyone wants to see Zod. Snyder said right away that Zod wouldn't be the villain in the movie so I'm not sure how Ursa is going to factor into this. I just find it hard to believe anything that's been reported right now.
I'm not sure that "everyone" wants to see Zod. He has been in two movies and also on Smallville already. He has gotten more big screen exposure than other villains like Brainiac, Doomsday, Darkseid, Metallo, Parasite, Bizarro, etc. I would prefer they open up the rogues' gallery so we can see more villains besides Lex and Zod.

Don't get me wrong, I love the character, based on Terence Stamp's portrayal. I think he has also been rendered well recently in the Last Son and New Krypton comic book arcs. Didn't like the Lex-Zod or Major Zod from Smallville.

From the latinoreview link, its not a strong denial that Zod won't be in the movie. Synder said it was just a rumor, for now. So its possible he will be in the movie. Or it could be Ursa, perhaps as a stalking horse for Zod? She might be trying to free him like in the STAS show with Mala and Jax'Or. I wouldn't mind if Ursa or Faora were the main villain. It would be different, and a nice change to have a strong female villain for Superman, a Kryptonian to boot. Might also add some sexual tension besides the predictable Superman/Clark-Lois thing. With Ursa or another Kryptonian female (preferably not his cousin), Clark could be tempted by the idea of continuing the Kryptonian race.
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Old February 5 2011, 03:39 PM   #338
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I think most people don't want to see Zod.
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Old February 5 2011, 03:41 PM   #339
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If this film centers mostly around Clark's origins, it is possible that Zod, Ursa and other Kryptonians have a presence but aren't the actual villains this time around.
Variety said this is the female lead, though, although they could of course turn out to be wrong about that.
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I think most people don't want to see Zod.
Yeah, most people want to see villains who have never been featured on the big screen before.
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Old February 5 2011, 04:10 PM   #340
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It's possible they are only setting up Zod, Ursa, etc. in this installment and alluding a bigger appearance in a sequel. We don't know what involvement they might have, if any (providing that article has a shred of credence, which it might not).

If this film centers mostly around Clark's origins, it is possible that Zod, Ursa and other Kryptonians have a presence but aren't the actual villains this time around.
Except that's exactly what the Richard Donner films did. What's the point in repeating it?


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Yeah, most people want to see villains who have never been featured on the big screen before.
How can we possibly know that? Even if most of the people posting on Internet bulletin boards have expressed that opinion, that's probably a few dozen individuals here and there. The opinions voiced on the Internet cannot be considered a statistically representative sample of the opinions of the mass audience.

I think most people in the general moviegoing public are more interested in what actors appear in a movie than what characters do. As long as the bad guy is an actor they like, they won't care if the character's name is Luthor or Zod or the Ultra-Humanite or Melvin Coznowfski.
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Old February 5 2011, 04:14 PM   #341
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^But by that, do you mean actors they already know and like or actors who they like when they sit down and watch the movie, even if they've never previously heard of them?

I mean, the likes of Christoph Waltz in Inglorious Basterds or Cillian Murphy in Batman Begins would have been unfamiliar to most movie audiences before those movies, but their performances were so strong that they overcame their lack of marquee recognition factor.
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Old February 5 2011, 04:14 PM   #342
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How can we possibly know that?
I meant the weight of opinion amongst fandom. You're right that the general public wouldn't have the same point of view.
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Old February 5 2011, 07:07 PM   #343
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If Batman Begins is the model for this movie, then I think we can expect a Superman villain that hasn't gotten the cinematic spotlight, and dealt with in a more naturalistic manner as Nolan and Goyer did with Ra's Al Ghul.

Either that or they've finally found a way to make Richard Pryor's character from III really work this time around — played by Eddie Murphy, of course.
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Old February 5 2011, 07:09 PM   #344
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^But by that, do you mean actors they already know and like or actors who they like when they sit down and watch the movie, even if they've never previously heard of them?
Either. They'd care more about whether they enjoyed the story than about what elements were used from a pre-existing mythology they might have little familiarity with.


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How can we possibly know that?
I meant the weight of opinion amongst fandom. You're right that the general public wouldn't have the same point of view.
The same objection applies. How can we know what the weight of opinion in fandom actually is? A few dozen people posting on bulletin boards are not a statistically representative sample of the entire fan community. It's far too small a sample, and far too biased since it's not a random sampling. It only shows what the subset of fandom that chooses to participate actively on computer bulletin boards thinks. That can't be assumed to be the same thing that fandom as a whole thinks.
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The same objection applies. How can we know what the weight of opinion in fandom actually is? A few dozen people posting on bulletin boards are not a statistically representative sample of the entire fan community. It's far too small a sample, and far too biased since it's not a random sampling. It only shows what the subset of fandom that chooses to participate actively on computer bulletin boards thinks. That can't be assumed to be the same thing that fandom as a whole thinks.
Fandom - especially in regards to superhero films - has a robust presence online, so it's a lot more than a few dozen people. You're right that it's more of a segment of fandom rather than fandom as a whole, but I think in most cases online fandom is broad enough to give a good sense - albeit unscientific - of the weight of opinion in fandom as a whole.
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