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Old February 2 2011, 08:59 PM   #691
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The Penguin (too 'tricky' to do realistically)
It still puzzles me that Nolan thinks this. The Penguin is one of the easiest Batman villains to do realistically. He's simply a short, big-nosed thief or gangster who likes fancy dress and has pretentions of being a sophisticate. Easy enough to ditch the bird fetish and umbrella gimmicks and just have Oswald Cobblepot as a mob kingpin who's called "the Penguin" (not to his face) because of his squat build and penchant for tuxedoes.
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Old February 2 2011, 09:03 PM   #692
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^ I get why Nolan said what he said regarding the Penguin character (the 'freak Penguin' that's been included, in one shape or form, in most of the on-scren portrayals of Batman since 1992), Christopher, even if I disagree with him.
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Old February 2 2011, 10:03 PM   #693
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^ I get why Nolan said what he said regarding the Penguin character (the 'freak Penguin' that's been included, in one shape or form, in most of the on-scren portrayals of Batman since 1992), Christopher, even if I disagree with him.
Sure, I could buy some ignorant newcomer who only knew Batman from movies believing that the Penguin was intrinsically a freakish fantasy character, but I would've thought, given how closely the first two Nolan Bat-films were rooted in comics lore, that Nolan himself would be sufficiently familiar with the comics not to make such a fundamental mistake about the Penguin's nature. That's why it surprises me.

And "most of the on-screen portrayals" since '92? Let's see:

Batman Returns (Danny DeVito): Freakish mutant.
Batman: The Animated Series (Paul Williams): Based on Tim Burton's design, but true to his debonair comics incarnation in personality.
The New Batman Adventures/Superman: TAS (Paul Williams/David Ogden Stiers): Redesigned with his classic comics look, squat and long-nosed but not a mutant.
The Batman (Tom Kenny): Based on Burton's design again, but even scruffier.
Batman: The Brave and the Bold (Steven Root): Faithful to his Silver Age design.

Three out of five is technically "most," I suppose, but it feels like an overstatement. In fact, I'd call it two and a half out of five, since B:TAS seemed to be going with Burton's design only grudgingly and otherwise portraying the Penguin as if he were the comics character.

And of course if we throw in the pre-1992 screen depictions of the Penguin -- Burgess Meredith, the Filmation cartoons, Hanna-Barbera's The Super Powers Team -- then the "standard" depictions of the Penguin outnumber the Burtonesque ones five to three (or five and a half to two and a half).
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Old February 2 2011, 10:33 PM   #694
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Bringing over from another thread hypothesizing how Nolan could adapt Batman's villains

Penguin is not hard to do. He could be a pudgy high class night club owner.

He lends his club out to mobsters and is often wearing tuxedo's. Since he wears so many black and white suits people call him "The Penguin"
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Old February 2 2011, 10:38 PM   #695
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It could be that Nolan couldn't think of a way to do the Penguin justice as a character. Did that occur to you Christopher? "Tricky" doesn't mean he thought it difficult to use in his world. You're also assuming that Nolan and company wouldn't have done their own homework on the character. Sigh.
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Old February 2 2011, 11:00 PM   #696
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I didn't just pull the statement "He's already unequivocally stated that we will not be seeing the following characters" out of my butt, dude.
Ah, gentlemanly to the last. Well spoken, sir, with just the right amount of class.

I'm merely voicing the possibility that Nolan might go in a different direction than previously stated, as happens so often in pre-production. It's not like his words have been carved into stone.
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Old February 2 2011, 11:10 PM   #697
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Nolan rarely changes his mind.
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Old February 2 2011, 11:11 PM   #698
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Bringing over from another thread hypothesizing how Nolan could adapt Batman's villains

Penguin is not hard to do. He could be a pudgy high class night club owner.

He lends his club out to mobsters and is often wearing tuxedo's. Since he wears so many black and white suits people call him "The Penguin"
Always pictured the Penguin as THE Mafia head in Gotham.
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Old February 2 2011, 11:12 PM   #699
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^ Same. I think that is how most fans think of how he would work and certainly how he is in the comics recently. Corrupt nightclub owner and what not.
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Old February 3 2011, 12:05 AM   #700
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Batman should punch him right in the penger.
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Old February 3 2011, 12:23 AM   #701
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At least he's not talking about using such bad guys as: King Tut, The Bookworm, Louie De Lilac, or Egghead.
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Old February 3 2011, 01:16 AM   #702
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Clock King.
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Old February 3 2011, 01:59 AM   #703
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JGL as Jean-Paul Valley, maybe?
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Old February 3 2011, 03:35 AM   #704
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Sheesh. Nolan is getting close to Tim Burton-ian levels of reusing cast members.
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Old February 3 2011, 03:36 AM   #705
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At least they're good actors.

I would think the response on this board would be quite different if instead of Tom Hardy, Anne Hathaway and Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Nolan had announced the casting of Mario Lopez, Paris Hilton and Vanilla Ice.
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