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View Poll Results: Rate Rough Beasts Of Empire
Outstanding 36 25.53%
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Old January 25 2011, 05:12 AM   #211
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Re: Typhon Pact: Rough Beasts Of Empire review thread

I just finished the novel and also did a quick search through the forums before voicing my comments and question.

Like some other readers, I incorrectly assumed this would be a DS9 novel. I had to remind myself that in the end, it's not a DS9 novel but just one snippet of the larger and complex Typhon Pact saga.

To that end, I thought Mr. George did a terrific job in creating a very tangled web of interstellar deceit and murder.....otherwise known as politics lol.

I apologize if my questions were answered before but I did not find them in my cursory search.

1) Just to confirm, the "kidnapping" was never mentioned in any other novel, correct? I just want to make sure I didn't forget reading a ST novel.

2) Just to confirm, the Vaughn's change in command was never mentioned in any other novel, correct?
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Old January 25 2011, 05:27 AM   #212
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Re: Typhon Pact: Rough Beasts Of Empire review thread

I think what pissed me off about this book the most was that life ZSH it took another DS9 character away from DS9. All the other series have a lot of their main characters still with them, or they have has continuous story lines to explain their exit from that series to another, but DS9 has really gotten the short end of the stick here and most of the characters are not even on DS9 or near it anymore for the series to continue well. I am very disappointed with the track that it has been taken on. My favorite relaunch seems to be dead and that is a travesty since it was the richest and deepest Trek. I mean seriously, who cares about Sisko on the Robinson? It would be like taking Picard away from the Enterprise!!
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Old January 25 2011, 05:47 AM   #213
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I wouldn't be certain that the plan is for Sisko to stay where he is now forever, if only because you might've expected more than one member of his crew to be introduced if they were going to be a fixture of the Deep Space Nine milieu.
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Old January 25 2011, 06:12 AM   #214
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I wouldn't be certain that the plan is for Sisko to stay where he is now forever, if only because you might've expected more than one member of his crew to be introduced if they were going to be a fixture of the Deep Space Nine milieu.
I think the concern expressed was more that Sisko would no longer be a part of the DS9 milieu, not that the Robinson's crew would become a part of it. Indeed, to the extent that future DS9 novels accept Sisko's reasoning in RBoE as legitimate, it is hard to see how he could return to DS9/Bajor.

Now obviously, Sisko's reasoning strikes me as absurd, so to the extent that future DS9 novels consider it as such, then he could return more easily, having emerged from his stupor and realized the folly of his behavior in this novel.

Or maybe he just had to divorce Kassidy and now everything is ok? But if so, why did he cut ties with everyone on Bajor including his young daughter?

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Old January 25 2011, 06:17 AM   #215
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Just finished it. Loved it.

This is completely subjective, but I was hoping that the Tzenkethi would be a much more alien, non-humanoid species. Something insectoid or otherwise exotic. But I liked what David established about their social structure -- the role played by genetic engineering, the echelons, etc. I'm a little bit confused, though, by the distinction between the titles of "Rej" and "Autarch." Is the full name of the office being held "Autarch of the Tzenkethi Coalition," or is the term "Rej" also part of the office's name?

Gell is back! And she's Praetor! Go figure. This certainly helps fulfill the idea that the Typhon Pact isn't necessarily full of mustache-twirlers out to destroy the Federation. I was disappointed to see the Imperial Romulan State dissolved, though -- I really liked the whole "East Germany/West Germany" vibe the IRS/RSE gave off.
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Old January 25 2011, 07:23 AM   #216
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Re: Typhon Pact: Rough Beasts Of Empire review thread

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(1) What was the situation in which the USS New York lost her captain and several important crew members, rendering Sisko in charge?
That would be telling.

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(2) What class of ship was the USS Cutlass?
I don't think the class of Cutlass made it into the final draft, but I intended it to be Saber-class (or Sabre-class; the spelling seems indeterminate).

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To that end, I thought Mr. George did a terrific job in creating a very tangled web of interstellar deceit and murder.....otherwise known as politics .
Thanks...and please call me David.

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1) Just to confirm, the kidnapping of was never mentioned in any other novel, correct? I just want to make sure I didn't forget reading a ST novel.

2) Just to confirm, Vaughn's change of command assignment was never mentioned in any other novel, correct?
No, the kidnapping has not to this point appeared in another Trek work, and neither has Vaughn's change of command assignment.

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I think what pissed me off about this book the most was that life ZSH it took another DS9 character away from DS9. All the other series have a lot of their main characters still with them, or they have has continuous story lines to explain their exit from that series to another, but DS9 has really gotten the short end of the stick here and most of the characters are not even on DS9 or near it anymore for the series to continue well.
Yeah. Here's the thing: if you're referring to Sisko, I didn't take him off of Deep Space Nine. For some strange reason, it appears that some readers don't seem to recall where the television series actually ended. As of the final episode, Sisko had left DS9 and ascended to the Celestial Temple; Worf had departed to become the Federation ambassador to the Klingon Empire; the O'Brien clan left to return to Earth; Jadzia had died; Rom and Leeta took up residence on Ferenginar; Garak remained on Romulus; Odo joined the Great Link; the Founder leader was in prison; Weyoun, Damar, Dukat, and Winn all died. All of that happened in the series, not in the books that followed. The ongoing literary saga did ultimately see Sisko return from the Celestial Temple...but not to Deep Space 9; he went to live a fairly uncomplicated live on Bajor.
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Old January 25 2011, 07:32 AM   #217
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Sorry...accidental double post.
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Old January 25 2011, 10:59 AM   #218
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David, did you see my review? If nothing else, I'm curious to know the origin of Ensign Orr.
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Old January 25 2011, 06:14 PM   #219
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David I know how the series ended and the some people were gone from the station. These characters and this series deserve the story to be fleshed out and continued in the same way it has been done. To jump and leave us all hanging as to the motivations of the characters becuase we never get to see how they progressed to the point they are at now is ridiculous. That is why it feels dead and the motivations of Sisko in RBoTE feel so false. The decision to make the jump may have been made but it is a bad one IMHO.
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Old January 25 2011, 06:28 PM   #220
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These characters and this series deserve the story to be fleshed out and continued in the same way it has been done. To jump and leave us all hanging as to the motivations of the characters becuase we never get to see how they progressed to the point they are at now is ridiculous.
Is there any particular reason to think we're not going to see how those characters progressed to the points they are at now in future books?
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Old January 25 2011, 06:37 PM   #221
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^Exactly. We just had the jump, we need to give the story time to establish the new status quo before we go back. It took BSG nine episodes, and Lost an entire season before the we got the story behind what happened prior to the time jump. Ok, Lost gave us bits of it as we went through the season, but it still took the whole season to learn the whole story.
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Old January 25 2011, 06:47 PM   #222
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I just think it should have happened first. I think it makes for better storytelling
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Old January 25 2011, 06:50 PM   #223
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^ Fair enough, but even without the unique editorial pressures on the DS9 novel line, the examples JD gave have to be enough to show that a time jump, with time later to fill in the backstory, is a completely legitimate storytelling choice. Hell, even in Trek novels, New Frontier did that just to shake things up.
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Old January 25 2011, 06:52 PM   #224
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I hold out hope since ds9 is my favorite of all the series but this start does not give me much to go on
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Old January 25 2011, 06:59 PM   #225
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I just realized something else. We still haven't gotten a DS9 novel, so really we don't even know what the DS9 series is going to be. Really, until that happens we can't judge the series. All we've gotten is basically a preview of what the character are up to.
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