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Old January 13 2011, 03:42 PM   #46
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As long as there's a Q, Moneypenny, opening gun barrel, 'Bond, James Bond', 'Shaken, not stirred', and he gets the girl at the end I'll consider it an improvement and right now don't care who writes it.
I liked that about QoS - that he didn't get the girl I mean. Notice that it was not only the first Bond film in which that happened, but also, remarkably, the first film in the franchise to raise the spectre of rape, which has of course traditionally been too ugly for the Bondverse. No coincidence that the two things featured in the same film, can't have Bond seducing a rape victim.
Not the first. It's pretty implicit in Licence to Kill with regards to Della that she was raped before she was killed. As Del Torro's character says "We gave her a nice honeymoon."

I'm not sure how clear it is whether Camile was raped. Obviously Metrano didn't at the end, its whether he raped her as a child, but this isn't suggested. She says he made her watch while he raped her mother and sister (I think) but it its almost implied the child was too small for him to bother with (which is why he didn't even kill her)

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I liked that about QoS - that he didn't get the girl I mean.


What I'm hoping that the they carry on with the plan to complete the trilogy. One of the reasons people hated so QoS so much is they didn't realize it was part 2 of a trilogy. So hopefuly they'll be able to complete the storyline, explain who Quantum is, introduce the new Blofeld (you know it's coming) and put the final bits of the Bond puzzle in place - Q and Moneypenny.
I've never got this notion that its a trilogy. For me CR and QoS bookend each other nicely, telling the begining and the end of the story. It isn't about Quantum, it's merely about Bond becoming Bond. The next film might or might not feature Quantum but that doesn't make it a trilogy.
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Old January 13 2011, 04:04 PM   #47
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I've never got this notion that its a trilogy. For me CR and QoS bookend each other nicely, telling the begining and the end of the story. It isn't about Quantum, it's merely about Bond becoming Bond. The next film might or might not feature Quantum but that doesn't make it a trilogy.
It's not a trilogy - apparently they did shoot a different ending, with Mr White again - which would have made it a trilogy by leaving a direct cliffhanger, but they wisely decided against that.

Craig has said that as far as he's concerned he wants and expects the next one to be a bit lighter - not full-on Moore-era camp, but a solid standalone piece of entertainment, as Bond has got past the personal issues of the first two movies and is now properly 007.
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Old January 13 2011, 04:14 PM   #48
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I doubt they'd ever go full on Moonraker again any time soon, I'm kinda hoping for a Living Daylights mixture of fantasy and reality next time. I'd be incredibly surprised if the next one was anywhere near as gritty as Craig's first two.
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Old January 13 2011, 08:58 PM   #49
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As I recall, the "alternate ending" was also supposed to have Guy Haines, the top advisor to the prime minister that Mathis points out to Bond when Bond shows him the photos.

Frankly, thanks to Bond's quick thinking in the opera, MI6 now knows the identities of many of Quantum's top operatives--including Haines.

I'd say there has to be some references to this. Perhaps in the "pre-credits" sequence (and PLEASE put a gunbarrel in the beginning, this time!), we'll have Bond rounding them up, in "Diamonds Are Forever" fashion....
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As long as there's a Q, Moneypenny, opening gun barrel, 'Bond, James Bond', 'Shaken, not stirred', and he gets the girl at the end I'll consider it an improvement and right now don't care who writes it.
I liked that about QoS - that he didn't get the girl I mean. Notice that it was not only the first Bond film in which that happened, but also, remarkably, the first film in the franchise to raise the spectre of rape, which has of course traditionally been too ugly for the Bondverse. No coincidence that the two things featured in the same film, can't have Bond seducing a rape victim.
Not the first. It's pretty implicit in Licence to Kill with regards to Della that she was raped before she was killed. As Del Torro's character says "We gave her a nice honeymoon."

I'm not sure how clear it is whether Camile was raped. Obviously Metrano didn't at the end, its whether he raped her as a child, but this isn't suggested. She says he made her watch while he raped her mother and sister (I think) but it its almost implied the child was too small for him to bother with (which is why he didn't even kill her)
I didn't get that interpretation of the line in LtK myself, but in any case I don't think a single off-hand line quite compares to the spectre of rape which is critical to the Camile's 'damaged' character and her drive for vengeance.

Also in the 'off-hand line' category I think Honey Bear in Dr. No mentions that she was raped as a child whilst recounting her background to Bond. Clearly they hadn't quite settled on the tone of the series at that point.
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Old January 14 2011, 12:48 AM   #51
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I'm not sure exactly how much more explicit Licence to Kill could have been without actually showing us it!
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Old January 14 2011, 12:53 AM   #52
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I'm glad Quantum of Solace won't be Craig's last film. He can be a good Bond, and I like him as an actor, so I'm looking forward to this upcoming film.
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As an actor I'm also looking for the next tour de force from Craig. Bond doesn't seem to be his best role, and I'd like to see him find something Oscar worthy. Ironic how most people would think Bond is a defining career move, but considering his earlier films, this duo is not Craig's best.
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Old January 14 2011, 03:38 AM   #54
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I still wish they would leave the director's chair to Martin Campbell or find someone that they would be happy with to sign on for multiple movies so that there is some sense of directorial consistency.
IIRC, they offered QOS to Martin Campbell but he didn't want to do another Bond movie so soon.
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^ That's right, apparently he doesn't like sequels. He only did the second Zorro movie because the money was too good to resist. He was even initially reluctant to do CR but the lure of launching a new 007 for the second time, not to mention being the director who finally got to direct a serious version of Fleming's debut Bond novel was too much to resist.
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Old January 14 2011, 02:12 PM   #56
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While I would have preferred some directorial consistency, I don't mind new directors being brought on to freshen things up a bit. Marc Forster is actually a very talented director, and Quantum of Solace felt like a continuation from Casino Royale. It's sort of like the Harry Potter movies, where a visual continuity was maintained, but a new director was brought on and they would add their own flourishes and additions to the ever-expanding universe. I think Forster maintained a sense of continuity from Casino Royale, but added his own flair that made the film his own.

I think Sam Mendes is really talented, and I'm glad that Broccoli and Wilson are searching for dramatic, interesting, and unconventional directors for Bond, verses generic middle-of-the-road filmmakers. I know they have a reputation for acquiring directors they can control, but Marc Forster and Sam Mendes are hardly "directors for hire". I think that's a part of the reason why Craig's films, for the most part, have felt so unique and refreshing (however that's probably more true for Casino Royale than Quantum of Solace, even though I quite liked that film).
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Old January 14 2011, 04:00 PM   #57
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^ Agreed. During the Moore and Dalton eras the same old faces kept coming back - John Glen, Guy Hamilton - and the series got very stale and same-y. They only really began to shake it up during the Brosnan era, with directors who had already proven themselves, for better or worse. Now Craig seems to be lucky enough to get the sort of helmers whose names turn up at awards ceremonies.
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I think Sam Mendes is really talented, and I'm glad that Broccoli and Wilson are searching for dramatic, interesting, and unconventional directors for Bond,
Road To Perdition suggests he'll do a good job of handling Craig in an action thriller...
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Old January 16 2011, 09:32 AM   #59
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Peter Morgan apparently only completed an outline before the project was put on hold.

In an interview published today by ComingSoon, Morgan confirms his tenure on Bond 23 was short. Asked whether he had completed a first draft of the script, Morgan said, "No, no, no, I hadn't gotten that far. I was working on an outline when they said, "We're going to have to stop this process now," and when it came to the point where I was going to commit to doing the Freddie Mercury film, I sort of discussed with my reps that it would probably take me out of all consideration and that's what's happened, and I wish them the best."
Source: http://www.mi6.co.uk/sections/articl...t=&s=&id=02697

Whether or not any of his outline is being kept is anyone's guess.
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I hope they keep his outline, or stay close to it. I was really excited at the prospect of Peter Morgan writing a Bond film. Oh, well.
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