Fan Filmmaker's Primer

Maurice · December 9 2010, 03:25 AM

For some time I thought that it might be fun and useful to start a thread in which the discussion is not about a specific film or projects, but as a sort of primer for wanna-be fan filmmakers on various aspects of production.

Basically, this is a place where you can share experiences and techniques you've tried and found working or wanting.

To kick it off, a few thoughts on...

LIGHTING
Good studio type lights are expensive, large, and heady, requiring C-Stands and some pretty substantial capacity on your circuit breaker. They're great if you can afford them, but a lot of people can't.

There are a number of other approaches. I'll toss out a simple one. One thing I like to use for simple shoots are china ball lanterns. They're cheap, collapse flat for storage, come in different sizes, and you can load them with relatively inexpensive color-corrected bulbs. They put out a soft even light, which is great for ambient illumination or soft non contrasty light.

China Ball Lighting

This above frame from a comedic music video I just did was lit entirely with four 16" china balls loaded with 150W.118V Halogen photo optic bulbs, and arrayed to hit the foreground and backround. The result is pretty good if you want nice even light without a lot of modeling. If you want something more dramatic, you'd need to mix in some other kinds of lights.

Studio Lighting (on a small soundstage)

This frame is from a different shoot location where we used more professional equipment but needed to maintain a consistent style with the shots made on a location. Here we bounced four studio lights off the white ceiling above the stage floor and off the top of the white cyclorama (above shot) to evenly light the cyc background. We then put a large bank of florescents to the right of the camera as a primary illumination, and another stage light reflected off a large white card to camera left to fill in the shadows.

We did this for two reasons, both having to do with speed.

Both lighting setups generally got sufficient illumination on anyone in shot no matter where they were, so we didn't have to worry about a lack of light that would affect setups and focus.

By eliminating the need to change the lighting setup after setup, I was able to concentrate on getting as many takes and setups as possible in each place.

Incidentally, this was shot with a digital SLR: a Canon T1i Rebel.

Anyone else have a tip, or technique to share?

Admiral Buzzkill · December 9 2010, 03:54 AM

Since you mentioned digital SLRs - someone should talk about them and cameras in general in some detail, but I'm not knowledgable enough to do so.

I'll note that there are quite a few now that will record remarkable HD video for a fraction of what a standard definition prosumer camera cost a few years ago. If you're working on a very limited budget, as most fan film producers are, IMAO these are the cameras you should be seriously looking at.

Maurice · December 9 2010, 06:31 AM

Dennis wrote:

Since you mentioned digital SLRs - someone should talk about them and cameras in general in some detail, but I'm not knowledgable enough to do so.

I'll note that there are quite a few now that will record remarkable HD video for a fraction of what a standard definition prosumer camera cost a few years ago. If you're working on a very limited budget, as most fan film producers are, IMAO these are the cameras you should be seriously looking at.

Indeed. Every film project I've worked on in the past 366 days (Polaris, a short film and four music vidoes) have all been shot on Canon Digital SLRs of one stripe or another.

Captain Robert April · December 9 2010, 07:56 AM

So, now would be a good time to retire that old Super 8?

Admiral Buzzkill · December 9 2010, 03:35 PM

Editing Super-8: I used to see sprocket holes every time I closed my eyes for at least a day...

Hudson_uk · December 9 2010, 09:13 PM

I seem to remember a couple of TV shows recently shooting episodes on DSLRs (550D?). House springs to mind.

These may also make interesting reading :

http://magazine.creativecow.net/arti...responsibility

and this one on the VERY high end Arri Alexa (Not a DSLR but might be interesting)
[COLOR=#0068cf]http://magazine.creativecow.net/article/digital-cinema-comes-of-age[/COLOR]

MikeH92467 · December 10 2010, 07:33 PM

Two things to really concentrate on: sound has to be good. I don't know the model numbers, but a good boom mic is something you really can't cheap out on. Off mic dialogue spoils the suspension of disbelief in a hurry. Another consideration is to really plan your shots around editing. With a tip of the tam o' shanter to Hudson UK and the rest of the Intrepid crew I would point to their latest vignette as an example of really smooth editing. Bumpy edits are the kind of thing that people may not notice consciously, but they definitely are a distraction.

Maurice · December 10 2010, 08:51 PM

Good points, MikeH92467. More on the subject of...

SOUND

A good mic is important, but it's not the only factor. Not just the mic is important. What you're recording to and the sound quality of the space you're in is also important.

The Set
I've in other threads mentioned using heavy blankets to deaden echos of set flats and walls not in shot. When we shot Stagecoach In the Sky we have to put a blanket over a flag to cover an open hatch on the plane because the echoing was nuts if we didn't.

Number of Mics
One mic often isn't enough. Sometimes you need two mics to get all the sound in a shot, particularly if you have a scene where actors are far apart in the frame and there's overlapping dialogue.

What You're Recording To
Furthermore, a lot of cameras, and particularly DSLRs, have crappy audio, so on such cameras you definitely want to be recording second sound to another device of higher quality.

The Slate Clap
A lot of people don't realize how important this is. That clap sound helps you sync or resync audio to picture if you don't have a slate that generates timecode. It's particularly important if you're shooting separate sound, as you don't want to be manually trying to sync sound to picture in post...trust me.

Audio Levels
One trick a DP I worked with taught me is to always use a stereo mic and to set the levels so that the left channel is "ideal" and the right is maybe 10-15% lower. The right channel ends up being the safety track if the sound on the left channel spikes and distorts or pops. On more than one occasion it's saved me from having to go back later and loop lines.

Maurice · December 13 2010, 10:51 PM

Back to Lighting for a moment, here's a photo from another shoot I did in the same small stage I mentioned previously, but wherein you can actually see how much lighting we were using:

CLICK TO EMBIGGEN!

Basically, there are four banks of florescents (the large flat black boxes) arrayed to get the greenscreen lit evenly: two above, one to the left one to the right. There are five additional barn-doored stage lights on C-stands to illuminate the players.

Also note the black sound blankets hanging from the ceiling to help deaden echoes.

MikeH92467 · December 14 2010, 02:15 AM

DS9Sega wrote:

Back to Lighting for a moment, here's a photo from another shoot I did in the same small stage I mentioned previously, but wherein you can actually see how much lighting we were using:

CLICK TO EMBIGGEN!

Basically, there are four banks of florescents (the large flat black boxes) arrayed to get the greenscreen lit evenly: two above, one to the left one to the right. There are five additional barn-doored stage lights on C-stands to illuminate the players.

Also note the black sound blankets hanging from the ceiling to help deaden echoes.

Love the sound blankets! In my bedroom/recording studio, I'm using comforters nailed to the wall!

Maurice · December 16 2010, 02:37 AM

^^Whatever works. The result is what matters.

Anyone else have things to share? Given the number of fan filmmakers here I'd thought there'd be more activity in this thread.

DestinyCaptain · December 16 2010, 05:15 AM

This is all good stuff.

FalTorPan · December 16 2010, 02:15 PM

DS9Sega wrote:

^^Whatever works. The result is what matters.

Anyone else have things to share? Given the number of fan filmmakers here I'd thought there'd be more activity in this thread.

Having only made one movie so far, I have far more questions than answers. Maybe a questions thread would be a good idea.

By the way thank you immensely for contributing to this thread. This info is much appreciated.

USS Intrepid · December 16 2010, 04:47 PM

Sounds like blankets would be very useful to us. We have the most annoying echo in the theatre we use for greenscreen shoots.

CaptainSerek · December 16 2010, 07:59 PM

This thread is a good idea, helping both veteran and new film makers with basic issues as well as giving pointers.

December 9 2010, 03:25 AM	#1
Maurice Rear Admiral Location: Maurice in San Francisco	Fan Filmmaker's Primer For some time I thought that it might be fun and useful to start a thread in which the discussion is not about a specific film or projects, but as a sort of primer for wanna-be fan filmmakers on various aspects of production. Basically, this is a place where you can share experiences and techniques you've tried and found working or wanting. To kick it off, a few thoughts on... LIGHTING Good studio type lights are expensive, large, and heady, requiring C-Stands and some pretty substantial capacity on your circuit breaker. They're great if you can afford them, but a lot of people can't. There are a number of other approaches. I'll toss out a simple one. One thing I like to use for simple shoots are china ball lanterns. They're cheap, collapse flat for storage, come in different sizes, and you can load them with relatively inexpensive color-corrected bulbs. They put out a soft even light, which is great for ambient illumination or soft non contrasty light. China Ball Lighting This above frame from a comedic music video I just did was lit entirely with four 16" china balls loaded with 150W.118V Halogen photo optic bulbs, and arrayed to hit the foreground and backround. The result is pretty good if you want nice even light without a lot of modeling. If you want something more dramatic, you'd need to mix in some other kinds of lights. Studio Lighting (on a small soundstage) This frame is from a different shoot location where we used more professional equipment but needed to maintain a consistent style with the shots made on a location. Here we bounced four studio lights off the white ceiling above the stage floor and off the top of the white cyclorama (above shot) to evenly light the cyc background. We then put a large bank of florescents to the right of the camera as a primary illumination, and another stage light reflected off a large white card to camera left to fill in the shadows. We did this for two reasons, both having to do with speed. Both lighting setups generally got sufficient illumination on anyone in shot no matter where they were, so we didn't have to worry about a lack of light that would affect setups and focus. By eliminating the need to change the lighting setup after setup, I was able to concentrate on getting as many takes and setups as possible in each place. Incidentally, this was shot with a digital SLR: a Canon T1i Rebel. Anyone else have a tip, or technique to share? __________________ * * * "Star Trek…at times sparkled with true ingenuity, and pure science fiction approaches, and at other times was more carnival like, and very much more the creature of television than the creature of a legitimate literary form." —Rod Serling, 1970" Last edited by Maurice Navidad; December 9 2010 at 06:29 AM. Reason: Minor tweak

December 9 2010, 03:54 AM	#2
Admiral Buzzkill The Man Location: Defying Gravity	Re: Fan Filmmaker's Primer Since you mentioned digital SLRs - someone should talk about them and cameras in general in some detail, but I'm not knowledgable enough to do so. I'll note that there are quite a few now that will record remarkable HD video for a fraction of what a standard definition prosumer camera cost a few years ago. If you're working on a very limited budget, as most fan film producers are, IMAO these are the cameras you should be seriously looking at. __________________ I had steak and a loaded baked potato for dinner on Sunday. As a steak I enjoyed it a lot, but as macaroni and cheese I thought it was disappointing.

December 9 2010, 07:56 AM	#4
Captain Robert April Vice Admiral Location: In selfless service to fandom, on the road to becoming a Star Trek trivia god...	Re: Fan Filmmaker's Primer So, now would be a good time to retire that old Super 8?

December 9 2010, 03:35 PM	#5
Admiral Buzzkill The Man Location: Defying Gravity	Re: Fan Filmmaker's Primer Editing Super-8: I used to see sprocket holes every time I closed my eyes for at least a day... __________________ I had steak and a loaded baked potato for dinner on Sunday. As a steak I enjoyed it a lot, but as macaroni and cheese I thought it was disappointing.

December 9 2010, 09:13 PM	#6
Hudson_uk Lieutenant Commander Location: Nr Cambridge, UK	Re: Fan Filmmaker's Primer I seem to remember a couple of TV shows recently shooting episodes on DSLRs (550D?). House springs to mind. These may also make interesting reading : http://magazine.creativecow.net/arti...responsibility and this one on the VERY high end Arri Alexa (Not a DSLR but might be interesting) [COLOR=#0068cf]http://magazine.creativecow.net/article/digital-cinema-comes-of-age[/COLOR]

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December 10 2010, 07:33 PM	#7
MikeH92467 Vice Admiral Location: Tampa, FL	Re: Fan Filmmaker's Primer Two things to really concentrate on: sound has to be good. I don't know the model numbers, but a good boom mic is something you really can't cheap out on. Off mic dialogue spoils the suspension of disbelief in a hurry. Another consideration is to really plan your shots around editing. With a tip of the tam o' shanter to Hudson UK and the rest of the Intrepid crew I would point to their latest vignette as an example of really smooth editing. Bumpy edits are the kind of thing that people may not notice consciously, but they definitely are a distraction. __________________ "The world is made for people who aren't cursed with self-awareness." Annie Savoy

December 10 2010, 08:51 PM	#8
Maurice Rear Admiral Location: Maurice in San Francisco	Re: Fan Filmmaker's Primer Good points, MikeH92467. More on the subject of... SOUND A good mic is important, but it's not the only factor. Not just the mic is important. What you're recording to and the sound quality of the space you're in is also important. The Set I've in other threads mentioned using heavy blankets to deaden echos of set flats and walls not in shot. When we shot Stagecoach In the Sky we have to put a blanket over a flag to cover an open hatch on the plane because the echoing was nuts if we didn't. Number of Mics One mic often isn't enough. Sometimes you need two mics to get all the sound in a shot, particularly if you have a scene where actors are far apart in the frame and there's overlapping dialogue. What You're Recording To Furthermore, a lot of cameras, and particularly DSLRs, have crappy audio, so on such cameras you definitely want to be recording second sound to another device of higher quality. The Slate Clap A lot of people don't realize how important this is. That clap sound helps you sync or resync audio to picture if you don't have a slate that generates timecode. It's particularly important if you're shooting separate sound, as you don't want to be manually trying to sync sound to picture in post...trust me. Audio Levels One trick a DP I worked with taught me is to always use a stereo mic and to set the levels so that the left channel is "ideal" and the right is maybe 10-15% lower. The right channel ends up being the safety track if the sound on the left channel spikes and distorts or pops. On more than one occasion it's saved me from having to go back later and loop lines. __________________ * * * "Star Trek…at times sparkled with true ingenuity, and pure science fiction approaches, and at other times was more carnival like, and very much more the creature of television than the creature of a legitimate literary form." —Rod Serling, 1970" Last edited by Maurice Navidad; December 10 2010 at 11:37 PM.

December 13 2010, 10:51 PM	#9
Maurice Rear Admiral Location: Maurice in San Francisco	Re: Fan Filmmaker's Primer Back to Lighting for a moment, here's a photo from another shoot I did in the same small stage I mentioned previously, but wherein you can actually see how much lighting we were using: CLICK TO EMBIGGEN! Basically, there are four banks of florescents (the large flat black boxes) arrayed to get the greenscreen lit evenly: two above, one to the left one to the right. There are five additional barn-doored stage lights on C-stands to illuminate the players. Also note the black sound blankets hanging from the ceiling to help deaden echoes. __________________ * * * "Star Trek…at times sparkled with true ingenuity, and pure science fiction approaches, and at other times was more carnival like, and very much more the creature of television than the creature of a legitimate literary form." —Rod Serling, 1970"

December 16 2010, 02:37 AM	#11
Maurice Rear Admiral Location: Maurice in San Francisco	Re: Fan Filmmaker's Primer ^^Whatever works. The result is what matters. Anyone else have things to share? Given the number of fan filmmakers here I'd thought there'd be more activity in this thread. __________________ * * * "Star Trek…at times sparkled with true ingenuity, and pure science fiction approaches, and at other times was more carnival like, and very much more the creature of television than the creature of a legitimate literary form." —Rod Serling, 1970"

December 16 2010, 05:15 AM	#12
DestinyCaptain Commander Location: U.S.S. Destiny NCC-720 Leif Ericson II Class Explorer	Re: Fan Filmmaker's Primer This is all good stuff.

December 16 2010, 04:47 PM	#14
USS Intrepid Commodore Location: Dundee, Scotland, UK	Re: Fan Filmmaker's Primer Sounds like blankets would be very useful to us. We have the most annoying echo in the theatre we use for greenscreen shoots. __________________ Star Trek: Intrepid

December 16 2010, 07:59 PM	#15
CaptainSerek Commander Location: Sun Valley, California, USA	Re: Fan Filmmaker's Primer This thread is a good idea, helping both veteran and new film makers with basic issues as well as giving pointers. __________________ I've come a long way for the power of Genesis, and what do I find? A Square Pegs reject, another actress playing Saavik, and Leonard Nimoy's stand-in.