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Old December 12 2010, 12:35 AM   #76
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^ Singer never said it was a direct sequel. He said it was a loose sequel. Essentially, he picked and chose what he wanted to be consistent with the original movies.
And that was a big part of my problem with the film. It was too half-hearted, stuck between paying homage and doing something new. It lacked a clear identity of its own. I'd rather have seen it commit wholeheartedly to creating a new, fresh take on Superman. That would've been a better tribute to Donner than just copying elements of Donner's films, because it would've instead been following in the footsteps of Donner's approach: reinventing Superman, bringing a fresh, modern take to it.
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Old December 12 2010, 12:38 AM   #77
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I thought we were discussing the issue which was how Superman was EMO? I still think it was completely justified within the logic of the film that Clark acted in the manner that he did. I am being dismissive of the notion of people who don't like that particular scene are so obsessive of it in their relating why they didn't like the movie. Just because "he's Superman" is not a valid reason for him to not be allowed to find it difficult to adapt to change...he was raised as a human too and still possesses human feelings. I was really responding to the use of the word EMO to describe his emotional state in the film.
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Old December 12 2010, 12:43 AM   #78
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I thought we were discussing the issue which was how Superman was EMO? I still think it was completely justified within the logic of the film that Clark acted in the manner that he did. I am being dismissive of the notion of people who don't like that particular scene are so obsessive of it in their relating why they didn't like the movie. Just because "he's Superman" is not a valid reason for him to not be allowed to find it difficult to adapt to change...he was raised as a human too and still possesses human feelings. I was really responding to the use of the word EMO to describe his emotional state in the film.
Obviously I can't speak for everybody but, for my money, Superman acting extremely out of character, moping around, feeling like no one earth understands him and stalking his ex is why people call him "emo."
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Old December 12 2010, 12:46 AM   #79
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^ Singer never said it was a direct sequel. He said it was a loose sequel. Essentially, he picked and chose what he wanted to be consistent with the original movies.
And that was a big part of my problem with the film. It was too half-hearted, stuck between paying homage and doing something new. It lacked a clear identity of its own. I'd rather have seen it commit wholeheartedly to creating a new, fresh take on Superman. That would've been a better tribute to Donner than just copying elements of Donner's films, because it would've instead been following in the footsteps of Donner's approach: reinventing Superman, bringing a fresh, modern take to it.
I've never had a problem with that sort of approach. I've always taken it when viewing the Bond movies. My interepretation has always been that e.g. Pierce Brosnan's character took on Goldfinger but he didn't make jokes about The Beatles, he made jokes about Take That. He has a history that is vaguely like that of Connery Bond, Moore Bond or Lazenby Bond and Dalton Bond, but in my continuity, he never fought on a space station, a la Moonraker.

I have no problem taking a similar 'pick and choose' approach with Superman. Indeed, I find it hard to understand how those who read comics, with their ever changing continuity and backstory, can't approach movies with the same attitude.
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Old December 12 2010, 12:46 AM   #80
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Wow. Now that outline sounds like it could've been a great movie. It has elements of Superman IV, yes, but also The Day the Earth Stood Still and Childhood's End. Also, we'd finally have a flick without Luthor! I hope some future Superman movie introduces Brainiac and maybe even, dare I say it Darkseid!
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Old December 12 2010, 12:50 AM   #81
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I don hate it, I like the fact the Kyptron island is used, always seemed dumb, but this is a nice use for it, however I do wonder (I know this has already been said) what effect this might have on Supermans powers.

That said its possible for it to have gotten far enough away from Earth, not to effect Superman, but be close enough for Brainiac to track it back to earth, ploting its course using gravity patterns and how the planets orbit the sun etc etc

As for the kid becoming adult, um im in two minds, one of one part his body may not be of much use to Brainiac, still a child, also they could never show Superman beating up on a child, but on the other, it is kinda strange.
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Old December 12 2010, 01:57 AM   #82
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the Kyptron island is used, always seemed dumb, but this is a nice use for it, however I do wonder (I know this has already been said) what effect this might have on Supermans powers.

That said its possible for it to have gotten far enough away from Earth, not to effect Superman,
I thought the point of the Krypton island was that it was made of (or at least contained significant amounts of) Kryptonite.

Kryptonite weakens and kills Superman regardless of how far he is or isn't from earth.

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Old December 12 2010, 04:20 AM   #83
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The problem with Superman Returns is that Richard White completely steals the hero limelight. I liked the character, and Marsden did a great job bringing him to life, but come on, this is a film about Superman for god's sake. You should know something's wrong when you've done a better job of making a supporting character look heroic, than you did with the actual superhero the film is about.

@wamdue; Kyptron? Seriously?
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Old December 12 2010, 04:25 AM   #84
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Kryponite doesn't work if Superman isn't in direct contact with it. Unless Clark was hovering in space right next to the island he would not feel it's effects...and it would be a prolonged thing since 'New Krypton' is only partially filled with it. "Superman Returns" showed that he can endure quite a bit of exposure before he finally succumbed to it.
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Old December 12 2010, 04:32 AM   #85
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I have no problem taking a similar 'pick and choose' approach with Superman. Indeed, I find it hard to understand how those who read comics, with their ever changing continuity and backstory, can't approach movies with the same attitude.
Well, that's what I wanted -- something that was set in a different continuity from what's come before, like The Man of Steel or Birthright or All-Star Superman.

Bryan Singer did a great job creating an original, distinctive take on the X-Men. So I wanted to see Bryan Singer's Superman, not Bryan Singer's fanboy love letter to Richard Donner's Superman. If I'd wanted another film in the Donner continuity, Singer's not the one I would've wanted to make it, since his style is a total mismatch. His take was too solemn and subdued, so it didn't feel like a valid continuation of Donner's more lively approach. It just felt like an inadequate imitation.
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Old December 12 2010, 04:37 AM   #86
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Also, SR loses points automatically for its portrayal of Lex. As much as I enjoy the Donner films, and what Gene Hackman and Kevin Spacey did with what they were given, Lex Luthor is not Hedley Lamarr.
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Old December 12 2010, 04:55 AM   #87
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Yeah that was one of my personal greatest disappointments. Kevin Spacey was channeling too much of Gene Hackman and not making the role his own. I would have liked it had Lex been his more modern corporate tycoon/super genius. You never get a sense that Lex has any real place in Metropolis at all. He doesn't dominate the city...and the real estate schemer thing is just meh. The movie version of Lex is often dismissed by the characters in the film as nothing more than a common thug. He swindles an old woman to inherit her families fortune (I actually think this is one thing Lex would do if required).
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Old December 12 2010, 05:06 AM   #88
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For all the flack Smallville gets, it accomplished one thing the films never have; a spot-on portrayal of Lex Luthor. Give Rosenbaum another 10 years to get over Smallville and age a bit, then get him in a Superman film as a proper Lex Luthor. You know it makes sense.
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