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Old December 10 2010, 10:17 PM   #46
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What I *do* like about the outline, and think had great potential, was the conflict of ideology: Superman's lassez-faire philosophy vs. Braniac's hands-on approach. I would have loved to see Braniac's intentions to be good -- rather than purely self-serving -- and watch the conflict between too much meddling and too little intervention play out. That makes for a really compelling character and thematic study. That part of the film I'd like to have seen.
That's the only interesting thing about Superman, as far as I'm concerned. Here's an individual with essentially god-like powers in a world rife with exactly those things he claims to want to combat--suffering, injustice, etc.--at a massive scale. How much does he intervene? How far can he impose his vision of the world on others? Where does one find the balance between free will and suffering it causes? The central issue of Superman should always be the problem of theodicy; he is epic by his very existence. Instead, the character is mired in cornball Grant Wood shite, lovelorn brooding and chasing down Beagle Boys-level petty crooks. This outline, ironically, sounds like the best take on the character for the cinema I've yet to hear; shame that Singer didn't do this film when he had the chance, instead of the aggressively bad film he ultimately released.

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Old December 10 2010, 11:56 PM   #47
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It's also nice to have final confirmation that all the rumors from a couple years ago about Jude Law as General Zod were complete crap. I was not a fan of reusing that character in general, and REALLY not a fan of the actor in specific.
Actually, before I got to the point in the outline where the "Krypto buddy" was revealed to be Brainiac, I was thinking, "Gee, this would be a neat interpretation of Zod." I momentarily forgot that Singer was pretending his version of Superman was in the Donner continuity so it couldn't be Zod.
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Old December 11 2010, 12:00 AM   #48
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Singer wasn't pretending his Superman was in the continuity he stated that it was a "vague continuation" of the Donner continuity and in Marv Wolfman's novelization Zod is mentioned during Clark's inner monologue on his trip through space furthering the vagueness.
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Old December 11 2010, 12:09 AM   #49
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So, basically disco-tacky versus images with a little mood and depth? Donner's movies don't win in that score.
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Old December 11 2010, 12:10 AM   #50
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I think that would have been an interesting movie and it would have been nice to see a sequel to SR.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RZw-7uqU4o

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Old December 11 2010, 12:13 AM   #51
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So, basically disco-tacky versus images with a little mood and depth? Donner's movies don't win in that score.
Agreed. Superman Returns was visually far richer than any of Donner's films.
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Old December 11 2010, 12:14 AM   #52
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Damn, that actually sounded like a cool idea. I've never been a huge fan of Brainiac in the past, but the way he's presented early on here as a kind of "Superman 2.0" would have been fun to see (I'm hoping Singer would have ditched the ridiculous, tentacled floating head of STAS).

And the idea of Brainiac downloading into Jason has a lot of potential too (even though I'm one of the few who actually LIKED the character and wanted to see how that relationship evolved).

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There's no justice in the world when mediocre trash like Fantastic Four and Ghost Rider get sequels but Superman Returns does not.
Sigh. Agreed.
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Old December 11 2010, 12:18 AM   #53
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Wow... that sounds horrible.

No Superman kid! None!!!

Would the son come back from the dead in a third movie? I mean come on!
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Old December 11 2010, 12:26 AM   #54
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It has some interesting points, but seems out of place.
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Old December 11 2010, 12:29 AM   #55
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Maybe they can use this idea for a Snyder/Nolan sequel. But instead of Jason, Brainiac would probably have to download into Supergirl.
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Old December 11 2010, 12:33 AM   #56
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I liked it until the part where Brainiac downloading himself into Jason's body forces Jason to age to full adulthood.
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Old December 11 2010, 12:39 AM   #57
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(I'm hoping Singer would have ditched the ridiculous, tentacled floating head of STAS).
The "Skull Ship" originated in the comics in 1983. They didn't actually use it in S:TAS. Brainiac's starship there was a giant wedge-shaped vessel. The only appearances of the Skull Ship in the DC Animated Universe were in the Static Shock episode "A League of Their Own, Part II" and in the Justice League Unlimited episode "Divided We Fall."
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The Skull Ship also was featured in Kevin Smith's "Superman Lives" script.
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Old December 11 2010, 01:04 AM   #59
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(I'm hoping Singer would have ditched the ridiculous, tentacled floating head of STAS).
The "Skull Ship" originated in the comics in 1983. They didn't actually use it in S:TAS. Brainiac's starship there was a giant wedge-shaped vessel. The only appearances of the Skull Ship in the DC Animated Universe were in the Static Shock episode "A League of Their Own, Part II" and in the Justice League Unlimited episode "Divided We Fall."
Oh that's right (it's been awhile since I've seen the show).

Well in THAT case, I'm hoping Singer would have ditched the robot guy with the annoying (and obviously evil) monotone voice. I think it would be much more interesting (at least early on) to have Brainiac appear in "human" form, perhaps as another friendly, good-looking Superman type to better disguise his true intentions, and cloud the issue a little.

Plus it would just be fun to see Superman battle it out with this copycat who everyone loves.

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So, basically disco-tacky versus images with a little mood and depth? Donner's movies don't win in that score.
It should be all about character. Superman is disco-tacky, so the Donner look (though not retirement-home pace) is right for him. Singer's darker, grimmer palette, OTOH, was perfect for the moodiness and depth of the X-Men (whereas Ratner's disco-tacky X3 was horrible).
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