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Old December 10 2010, 06:30 PM   #31
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Re: Full story for Bryan Singer's planned SUPERMAN RETURNS sequel reve

Superman Returns was worse than being a bad film ... it was simply bland. The sequel idea is, if nothing else, bizarre (Kryptonite moon, clones, fast-aging Superboy, killing one's own child). I still think it's most valuable element is the conflict of ideologies between Superman leaving humanity on its own and Brainiac's desire to intervene -- especially if Brainiac had been portrayed as less of a mustache-twirling villain as suggested in the outline. If that had happened, the film would have had some significant resonance with audiences.
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Old December 10 2010, 06:31 PM   #32
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"Brainiac" - really, thats the name of the villian, a little pinky & the brain don't you think. It sounds just like something a comic book would do as a story and thats my problem with it because its so out of this world that the general movie audience probably wouldn't like it nor be interested in...Superman is such a costly film to make it needs find the right balance between pleasing the hardcore crowd and not scaring off the casual moviegoer.

Also the whole AI angle gives me bad Superman 3 feelings with a super computer.
I thought you watched Smallville. He was an antagonist on the show for a while, if we're talking recent incarnations of the character that the general public may be familiar with. Not to mention his numerous appearances in the various DC animated series/films. But, yeah, as Christopher pointed out, Brainiac has been a Superman villain for over 50 years.
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Old December 10 2010, 06:35 PM   #33
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Zack Snyder is only months away from going into production on the Christopher Nolan-produced, David Goyer-written Superman reboot that will fly into theaters Winter 2012.

What are everyone's thoughts? Do you like Singer's idea for the sequel or are you glad Zack Snyder is rebooting the franchise?
For me this was a trilogy that was completed(as if Superman III and Superman IV:Quest For Peace never existed):

Superman The Movie 1978
Superman II 1981
Superman Returns 2006

The next Bryan Singer sequel sounds very interesting, but since it will never be, I will take a chance on the Zack Snyder rebooting.
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Old December 10 2010, 06:36 PM   #34
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Much as I dislike Superman Returns, that actually sounds like a pretty good movie and I would have enjoyed it. That said, I'm sure the Nolan/Synder version will be much better!
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Old December 10 2010, 06:42 PM   #35
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Sounds kind of interesting, but frankly I want to get away from this mindset that making a mediocre movie is acceptable as some kind of setup for "my Wrath of Khan". IMO if you make a mediocre movie, you get booted from the franchise, as it should be.
Sure, give the next guy the chance to start over and make his mediocre movie instead. Then the next guy...

I mean, your statement doesn't actually have anything to do with how anyone involved - studio, directors, etc - actually approach these projects.

"Ah, this is my first time at bat so I won't try that hard. 'Mediocre' is good enough, because I'll do really well on the second one. After all, I know that they'll keep me on."

Yeah, that's the "mindset" and those are the expectations that motivate the way things are done.

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Old December 10 2010, 07:07 PM   #36
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So ... uh ... When did Brainiac become a Borg?
Brainiac has been many things over the course of his existence. He was originally just a bald green alien with a pink shirt and a pet monkey. Then he was retconned into an android (to avoid legal conflict with a "build a computer" product of the same name by making the character a weird sort of tie-in to the product), though he still looked largely the same. In the '80s, he was revamped into a more blatantly robotic form, perhaps influenced by The Terminator. Then in the John Byrne reboot, he became a green-skinned alien again, and used telepathy to take over the mind of a human circus performer, of all things, in order to wreak havoc on Earth. Then the human Brainiac had a duplicate of his alien body manufactured, but it was still organic.

But then Superman: TAS introduced an impressive new version of the robotic Brainiac, who was a clear influence on the Brainiac in this treatment: he was responsible for the death of Kryptonian civilization (by concealing the fact of the planet's imminent doom), he could download his consciousness into duplicate bodies, and in some stories he had multiple duplicate bodies in reserve.

So the comics followed suit and had Brainiac switch to a robotic body, which was then changed into a body made of countless nanobots. Then, more recently, Geoff Johns introduced a version that amalgamated pretty much all the earlier versions, introducing a "real" humanoid-alien Brainiac of whom the others had simply been created avatars.

And then there's the Smallville version which is the "Brain InterActive Construct," again going with the "rogue Kryptonian AI" version from S:TAS, but functioning more like the T-1000 Terminator, a shapechanging "liquid metal" entity.
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Old December 10 2010, 07:21 PM   #37
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I prefer calling the Smallville version a biomorphic entity. I believe there is an episode where he calls himself similar.
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Old December 10 2010, 07:40 PM   #38
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Well, heck, since these movies were in the Donnerverse, if the kid died at the end, Supes would've just rewound the planet and made it all better.
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Old December 10 2010, 08:00 PM   #39
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Joe Kelly is the one who wrote all those shitty stories where everyone was a huge douchebag.
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Old December 10 2010, 08:06 PM   #40
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The one issue of Joe Kelly's that was actually decent was JLA#90 where he put a stop to any kind of potential Wonder Woman/Batman romance with an entire issue dedicated to why they shouldn't be together. It culminated with Bruce lamenting that anything between them would ultimately end up being a Greek tragedy to which of course Diana laughed. It pissed a lot of fans off who were hoping the two would get together...of course a relationship was hinted on screen at the time too thanks to JLU.
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Old December 10 2010, 08:22 PM   #41
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I like the ideas and the fact that he used Brainiac, but as other have said, the stuff with the son just feels wrong.
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Old December 10 2010, 09:54 PM   #42
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So Brainiac uses Kryptonian technology and beams/download itself into Jason's body and this causes causes him to age and grow into a full adult but with Brainiac in complete control.
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Superman Returns was worse than being a bad film ... it was simply bland.
Absolutely:



I tried rewatching bits of SR the other day and just couldn't do it due to the visuals alone. When your frickin' SUPERMAN movie looks more like Seven than the Donner films (which I don't even like)... you've got a problem.

And, this proposed sequel is shit. Superman as a loner/pariah, the kid as a plot point (and it's not his damn son), no fun flirtation, a dark and depressing story about how those who try to make the world a better place are actually genocidal monsters... no lessons learned from SR. Not fun. Total disaster.

None of the Superman movies have yet been able to beat Smallville's pilot.

For shame.
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Old December 10 2010, 09:57 PM   #43
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Haha that shot of Zod with the machine gun is just tremendous. That one still has more spirit to it then all of Superman Returns.
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Old December 10 2010, 10:04 PM   #44
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The idea of Brainiac bringing total peace to a world, absorbing all their data and uniqueness into his ship and then destroying it seems to be totally lifted from his TAS incarnation. Which is good seeing how that was one of the best Brainiacs' ever.
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Old December 10 2010, 10:16 PM   #45
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As a starting point, I am actually intrigued by a lot of the themes in the outline. I do have enough faith in Singer as as storyteller that the final script would have fleshed out the Brainiac and made him more than a one-note villain. I point you no further than the Xmen movies where even Stryker, the closest thing to a mustache twirler, is still pretty sympathetic. And let's not even get started on Singer's Magneto.

The stuff with the Son actually strikes me as reactionary to the intense fanboy hatred of the concept of super-kid in Returns. This eliminates an unpopular character from future sequels, and his death has some dramatic heft.

It's also nice to have final confirmation that all the rumors from a couple years ago about Jude Law as General Zod were complete crap. I was not a fan of reusing that character in general, and REALLY not a fan of the actor in specific.

Ultimately, as of right now, I would say that I would probably prefer to see THIS movie developed than the Snyder/Goyer reboot. However, I reserve the right to change my mind once more info and images from the new movie come out.
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