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Old December 3 2010, 02:11 AM   #451
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So why (maybe from the comics explanation) do they call the zombies geeks??? Is there a story behind that?
I don't think they referred to them as geeks in the comic series, but in some zombie-apocalypse short fiction the Zs are called "geeks".
It's a reference to the circus sideshow freak that would bite the heads off live chickens, who was called a geek. I always thought it was funny when the modern use of "geek" started to mean someone smart and nerdy ... definitely not the historical connotation of the word.

I'm absolutely loving this show, and I usually don't like the zombie genre. Aside from "Shaun of the Dead" this was the first zombie story I've ever fallen for. I'm really enjoying the characters and the writing.

After the first couple of episodes I got so into it that I even picked up a zombie novel and read it straight through ... Mira Grant's "Feed" (AWESOME book! Highly recommended.) I'm holding off on reading the original comic because I don't want any spoilers, but I've gotta say I'm definitely a zombie fan these days.
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Old December 3 2010, 03:50 AM   #452
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DVD & Blu-ray Disc release will be sometime close to early March.
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Old December 3 2010, 04:24 AM   #453
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I know that this show really gets to me because every Sunday night, after watching it, I have nightmares about the zombie apocalypse.

Anybody else?
I only watch it in the daytime. No way I could sleep an hour after "Guts"
I save it for later viewing, too - not right before bedtime!

I don't understand why they would just leave the bitten guy to die, though. Why would he (or they) want him to be a Zombie? I somehow suspect he will turn up again later as a Walker.
Yeah, they really should have shot him in the head. Nobody really knows what the experience of zombiehood is like, but considering their behavior, it wouldn't surprise me if they are in a constant state of painful, desperate hunger. Just because they can't reason or communicate doesn't mean they can't feel, at an animal level. If I were Jim, I'd have demanded they shoot me in the head, just to be safe.

I thought it was hilarious when the director cuts from Andrea cradling her dead sister to a scene where the redneck guy suddenly jerks upright, which is exactly what the sister would have done in a bad zombie movie - the redneck guy wasn't even part of the Andrea scene, but I still jumped. And of course when sis does revive, there are no cheesy shocks, just a very sad and strangely lovely sequence. This show is really good at defying expectations.

Several times, I've noticed scenes that seem "ripped from the page of a comic book." Jim sitting at the tree as the others leave; the CDC door opening and silhouetting the characters against a blaze of light. Can anyone who reads the comics confirm that they've been mimicking scenes?
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Old December 3 2010, 04:25 AM   #454
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I was expecting Daryl to finish him off with the cross bow.
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Old December 3 2010, 05:28 AM   #455
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[...] Can anyone who reads the comics confirm that they've been mimicking scenes?
Oh, some scenes, certainly. I don't actually own any issues myself (I've been periodically borrowing large stacks from a friend for the last couple years) so I don't have any issues handy at the moment to do some quick reference checks. Jim sitting under the tree, though, was definitely one, and you can see a comparison of the two Amy death scenes here side-by-side. The CDC angle, though, is entirely created for the television show. At this point in the comics, all of the Atlanta survivors were in Dale's RV on the road; a CDC facility didn't enter into things at all.
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Old December 3 2010, 06:27 AM   #456
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[...] Can anyone who reads the comics confirm that they've been mimicking scenes?
The scenes with Jim at the Tree and the others walking away is ripped straight from the comic almost frame to frame, and Andrea and Amy's moment is almost exactly like the comic but the tv series scene has alot more emotion and sadness to it. As i have stated before the tv series seems to go more into detail with the story and is almost like watching a "directors cut" of the comics
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Old December 3 2010, 10:34 AM   #457
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I don't understand why they would just leave the bitten guy to die, though. Why would he (or they) want him to be a Zombie? I somehow suspect he will turn up again later as a Walker.
Yeah, they really should have shot him in the head. Nobody really knows what the experience of zombiehood is like, but considering their behavior, it wouldn't surprise me if they are in a constant state of painful, desperate hunger. Just because they can't reason or communicate doesn't mean they can't feel, at an animal level. If I were Jim, I'd have demanded they shoot me in the head, just to be safe.
Exactly. Especially since they've seen signs of intelligence in the Zombies.

I thought it was hilarious when the director cuts from Andrea cradling her dead sister to a scene where the redneck guy suddenly jerks upright, which is exactly what the sister would have done in a bad zombie movie - the redneck guy wasn't even part of the Andrea scene, but I still jumped. And of course when sis does revive, there are no cheesy shocks, just a very sad and strangely lovely sequence. This show is really good at defying expectations.
That's because, unlike most TV and movies, this is actually written for adults.
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Old December 3 2010, 06:10 PM   #458
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I was expecting Daryl to finish him off with the cross bow.
Me too!! That would have made much more sense.

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This show is really good at defying expectations.
That's because, unlike most TV and movies, this is actually written for adults.
YES! I'm continually impressed with how much more depth the individual scenes have than most TV - I feel as if I'm watching real people, with real emotions. It's quite moving, actually. I never thought I'd get sniffly while watching zombies!
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Old December 3 2010, 09:36 PM   #459
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Maybe the success of TWD will inspire more shows written for grownups? But that requires that TV producers realize that what's making this show successful is that it doesn't insult the audience's intelligence, instead of everyone suddenly liking zombies.

If I see networks starting to trot out their own zombie shows, I'm going to throw my TV out the window. That is not the lesson here, but it would be characteristic of the morons running network TV that they'd think so. A zombie show, sanitized and dumbed down to network TV levels would be about the most useless thing I can envision. I'd rather they do reality TV shows about people eating bugs.
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Old December 3 2010, 10:23 PM   #460
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Here's a story about TWD plot holes. What bugs you about this show? How would you handle a zombie outbreak better than these guys have?

I also wondered why they were living in tents so close to a heavily populated area. Why not roam around till you find a heavily-fortified, off-the-grid country estate built by some reclusive, paranoid whack-job? I'm sure there are plenty of options all over America.

And this being America, there should be plenty of cars at least partly filled with gas available for the taking. And guns all over the place (could you gather spent bullets and re-use them?) but that wouldn't be so useful since gunshots attract walkers.

Instead, raid every sporting goods store you come cross for crossbows and learn to use them. Stock up on arrows. Don't bother to retrieve and re-use arrows - that strikes me as very dangerous behavior. Darryl just wipes off the blood and gore on his pants, but he doesn't know how infectuous zombie parts are. All it would take is one accidental nick.

One possible strategy: head north and find an off-the-grid estate with self-sustaining power and water to weather a snowy winter. See what effect that has on the zombies by spring. At some point, the zombies will simply disintegrate from the effects of being in the weather. But maybe hotter zones will break them down faster than sub-zero temperatures. Either way, it should be possible to hunker down and just wait for the zombie problem to solve itself. (Not a very interesting way to tell a story, tho.)

Getting back to zombies being attracted by gunshots - are they intelligent enough to realize gunshots = dinner bell? Shouldn't there be a lot of noises in the cities as buildings start to collapse, fires spread and cause explosions, etc? How do they tell the non-dinner noises from the dinner bell?
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Old December 3 2010, 10:52 PM   #461
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As foolish as it was, the Atlanta survivors were hoping for rescue if any military / government agencies were still functioning and fighting back. To slightly legitimize that line of thinking, Rick did, after all, see a helicopter flying over Atlanta when he first arrived. Granted, it may have been an hallucination but we'd had no prior indication to suggest that Rick was starting to hallucinate.

As far as ransacking stores goes, what do you think Glenn and the others were doing when Rick joined up? Of course they were looking for supplies. But after Rick's arrival, other situations started taking precedence: returning for Merle, returning for the guns, the attack on the camp. They haven't had time to go back into Atlanta a second time since Rick joined the group, and they have deemed it too dangerous to do so anyways.

You mentioned Rick's hat in your post in the TVM thread. He's only "found" it once and that was thanks to Glenn grabbing it along with the bag of guns. Not sure about gunshots, though, and why zombies find that sound particularly interesting as opposed to other sounds.
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Old December 3 2010, 10:58 PM   #462
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Yeah I forgot about the copter. Shouldn't that have made the military base the better option vs the CDC? Rick didn't even mention it.
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Old December 3 2010, 11:05 PM   #463
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I edited the above post to reply to a couple of your other thoughts, too.

Glenn, Amy, Andrea, and so on didn't believe Rick's story about the helicopter, so he may not have mentioned it to anyone after getting back to the camp; he may have come to believe they were right that he imagined it. Shane did argue initially that they should head for a military base instead of the CDC, but 1) they said the closest base was Fort Benning, which one of the characters remarked was something like 100 miles away; and 2) the CDC facility, being right there in Atlanta, seemed a more likely possibility to yield treatment for Jim. Considering Jim didn't even manage to make it to the CDC facility before requesting to be left behind, he definitely wouldn't have made it to Fort Benning, even if Rick had been behind that idea in the first place.

After their stint at the CDC facility is over, maybe they will get back on the road to head to Fort Benning - or maybe Jenner will know something about Fort Benning's status that will force them to improvise again.
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Maybe the success of TWD will inspire more shows written for grownups? But that requires that TV producers realize that what's making this show successful is that it doesn't insult the audience's intelligence, instead of everyone suddenly liking zombies.
There might be some producers who think like that, but I'd be shocked if many network execs have that much insight.

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I also wondered why they were living in tents so close to a heavily populated area. Why not roam around till you find a heavily-fortified, off-the-grid country estate built by some reclusive, paranoid whack-job? I'm sure there are plenty of options all over America.
I've thought about this for years; I'd head for the Castle In The Clouds in New Hampshire and hope that nobody else gets there first.

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Rick did, after all, see a helicopter flying over Atlanta when he first arrived.
I've been waiting for the payoff on that; they must have shown it for a reason. I'm hoping it plays a part in the finale.
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Old December 4 2010, 12:12 AM   #465
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Okay we have one nominee for Ideal Zombie Fortress: Castle in the Clouds. Any other nominations?

I think I'd go for something in the desert, as long as there was a good water supply underground. All those trees make me nervous - I'd want barren landscape so I could see what was sneaking up on me. The downside of the desert would be that the zombies might survive in that environment for a very long time before disintigrating.

Here's another option, assuming the zombies can't swim or walk on the bottom of the ocean: find a sizeable island that you can clear the zombies from. Something like Santa Catalina might be a good choice because the landscape is desert-scrub rather than tall trees and it's easy to get a good view, but with the tourism and permanent residents, I think the problem might be that the zombie infestation would be too heavy.

So the other Channel Islands might be the better option: less infrastructure, fewer visitors. There are only 4000 residents listed in the 2000 census for all the islands, and the northern islands are effectively unpopulated, being part of a national park.

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