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Old November 19 2010, 01:31 AM   #16
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Re: DS9 ruined Alexander Rozhenko

Well, if there is ever a future Trek Prime show maybe Alexander could show up as a crew member or possibly a adversary to the starfleet Captain. The Klingon warrior with a human name.
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Old November 19 2010, 01:32 AM   #17
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Re: DS9 ruined Alexander Rozhenko

They messed up Alexander, and they also tarred Worf's character in the process by pretty much saying that he abandoned Alexander without trying to call him ONCE in 5 years.
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Old November 19 2010, 11:08 AM   #18
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I liked Alexander. Finally not a super-hero-honourable-blah-blah-blah Klingon, but someone completely different. I found him very "refreshing".
Um, TNG already had him shaping up as a "refreshing" or "different" Klingon. Remember "Firstborn"? It was clear Alexander was on a different path than a typical Klingon (potential diplomat) and that Worf was starting to appreciate this.

DS9 totally ruined Alexander. It was one of the few times this great show just took a decent idea and trashed it. And for comic relief of all things!!!

TNG Alexander over DS9 Alexander any day. "Firstborn" is one of my favourite eps and finally shows a true bond developing between Worf and his son, one of understanding. Both of them had forgotten it all by the time of "Sons and Daughters" though. Shame.
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Old November 19 2010, 11:21 AM   #19
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Re: DS9 ruined Alexander Rozhenko

Of course they could have not written him into DS9 at all. I had no problem with a young Klingon who wasn't perfect. No young person should be well-rounded. On the whole they dealt with the problems of young people quite well in DS9. They were all, with the exception of Jake, rebelling against their parents to a greater or lesser degree. What's to say Alexander didn't get his youthful need to belong to the military off his chest and go on to great things. All he ever did was what most unhappy boys do: whatever is most likely to enrage his father.
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Old November 19 2010, 11:35 AM   #20
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Re: DS9 ruined Alexander Rozhenko

Talking of Klingon kids maturing faster, does this mean that B'Elanna Torres would've grown up quicker? I wonder how old she was when she first joined Voyager?
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Old November 19 2010, 12:43 PM   #21
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Re: DS9 ruined Alexander Rozhenko

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Talking of Klingon kids maturing faster, does this mean that B'Elanna Torres would've grown up quicker? I wonder how old she was when she first joined Voyager?
Given she was born in 2349 she would be 21-22 in Earth years. Interestingly when she was 12 she looked twelve and not 20, so she aged in a more normal "human" way. Maybe a that's a sign that female and male Klingons mature significantly differently, though Alex was more Klingon than Torres so it might be a genes issue with her.

Sidenote: I don't think DS9 ruined Alex.

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Old November 19 2010, 05:13 PM   #22
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Re: DS9 ruined Alexander Rozhenko

Upon retrospect I think at some point I felt similarlly to the OP, but I tink as I got older I learned that given who Alexander's mother was, there was no way he'd grow up to be the stardard Klingon warrior.

I think towards the end of his appearances in DS9 he came across as a semi-compentant officer.
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Old November 20 2010, 09:55 AM   #23
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Firstborn was an alternate future Alexander anyways. I think that Nemesis is past the time that Work was killed in the Firstborn timeline. Well, I'm half sure anyways...
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Old November 20 2010, 10:10 AM   #24
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Re: DS9 ruined Alexander Rozhenko

The way they left off in TNG, everything seemed ok between Worf and Alexander.

Worf seem to accept Alexander and they appeared to be close.

Then with "Sons and Daughters", Alexander reveals that Worf never tried to contact him in years, and then it makes you go, "Wow, Worf is a jerk".

It doesn't totally change how we view Worf, but it did make you wonder about the guy.


Still, Alexander's portrayal in that episode was memorable, although a little weird...
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Old November 20 2010, 11:44 AM   #25
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Re: DS9 ruined Alexander Rozhenko

What they didn't need to do is age him ten years.
That didn't make any sense.
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Old November 20 2010, 09:24 PM   #26
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Re: DS9 ruined Alexander Rozhenko

Let's not forget how much the TNG writers hated Alexander. DS9's "Time's Orphan" was originally planned for TNG and featured Alexander aging, rather than Molly. I don't think you can ruin such a bland character anyway.
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Old November 21 2010, 08:39 AM   #27
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I don't think you can ruin such a bland character anyway.
I was going to say something like this. What was there to ruin? He wasn't the most interesting character in the first place. I didn't care much for him on TNG either. From what I recall, he was mostly just a whiny kid who had trouble getting along with other kids.

Then on DS9, he's the same, but as an adult, as other Klingons mock him for being 'too human'. My favourite episode he was in was "A Fistful of Data", and he was really a minor part of an episode that was great mostly because of other characters.
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Old November 21 2010, 02:11 PM   #28
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I was never terribly keen on the idea that Alexander was born shortly after Worf and K'Ehyler reunited briefly on the Ent-D in 2365, and just matured EXTREMELY fast. What's wrong with him being conceived just before his parents initially separated, before Worf joined the Ent-D?
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Old November 21 2010, 02:31 PM   #29
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I used to think that he WAS the result of their first relationship.
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Old November 22 2010, 02:44 PM   #30
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Although i think his role in DS9 was quite annoying, I buy the story with him feeling betrayed by his father. He is 1/4 human after all... But I think it would've been more in character if he became a doctor or something instead of running off to the klingon army.
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