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Old November 16 2010, 07:17 PM   #151
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Re: RLM finally did it / Plinkett reviews Star Trek

He does kinda put it into perspective.
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Old November 17 2010, 07:13 AM   #152
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it wouldn't have hurt to have given it some more heart and morals.
That's subjective. It may not just had enough for you, for instance. I thought the opening sequences, Spock and Sarek's moments, Kirk and Pike's moments, had a lot of heart, and in some cases had a better emotional impact than some of Trek's other attemps. So YMMV.
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Old November 17 2010, 10:24 AM   #153
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Perhaps, but I don't think I'm alone in this point, isn't it one of the more common ones from long-time fans? It's what makes Star Trek different from Star Wars. I didn't feel the new movie was much different.
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Old November 17 2010, 03:05 PM   #154
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Perhaps, but I don't think I'm alone in this point, isn't it one of the more common ones from long-time fans? It's what makes Star Trek different from Star Wars. I didn't feel the new movie was much different.
Actually, the vast majority of long time fans loved the movie. Hell, they most likely appreciated XI more than the general public. Its only a tiny minority that never really understood what Star Trek (TOS mainly) was and what made it work to begin with. People keep bitching about messages and heart and intellect when XI really wasn't any dumber than most of the Trek moves we had so far. Granted, the plot could have been tighter with a better developed villain and Kirk could have been challenged better than he was in XI (though I imagine the sequel will address these issues), but getting away from Trek's awful pretentious preachiness and exclusionary (is that a word?) attitude was a GOOD thing. Star Trek was always meant for the general public to consume, even as far back as TOS. This is anb objective fact.
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Old November 17 2010, 04:28 PM   #155
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People keep bitching about messages and heart and intellect when XI really wasn't any dumber than most of the Trek moves we had so far.
Yeah, I wouldn't say it didn't have as much heart or anything like that, but it didn't seem to have as strong a theme as some of the others. And that's probably because they were trying to cram so much in. Hopefully the second movie will have a stronger one.

but getting away from Trek's awful pretentious preachiness and exclusionary (is that a word?) attitude was a GOOD thing. Star Trek was always meant for the general public to consume, even as far back as TOS. This is anb objective fact.
Being preachy or heavy handed doesn't really equate with failure since Avatar was hugely successful.
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Old November 17 2010, 11:53 PM   #156
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Saving the Federation from certain destruction?

Nah - not enough morals.
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Old November 18 2010, 03:48 AM   #157
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Great stuff.

His review of TPM was 1000 X better than the actual film.
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Old November 19 2010, 05:17 PM   #158
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TMP?

I liked the bit with the woman on the street after STXI "had it's way with her"... 'Oh, that wasn't so bad!'
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Old November 19 2010, 11:40 PM   #159
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TMP?
TPM = (Star Wars) The Phantom Menace, I'm pretty sure - the RLM review of that movie got quite a bit of attention.
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Old November 27 2010, 07:27 AM   #160
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SF Debris has a pretty great review of/rant over TMP on his youtube page.
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