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Old November 12 2010, 07:39 AM   #46
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Re: The Dark Knight to have a female villain?

He already found a way to reimagine the Joker without him being silly, in fact he was down right sinister. Catwoman is no sillier than Batman as the poster above me indicated. This kind of logic from fans never ceases to amaze me. I really don't think we'll see Harley since she is too tied into the Joker's story and I don't think Nolan would want her to be overshadowed by that.
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Old November 12 2010, 07:44 AM   #47
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Re: The Dark Knight to have a female villain?

Hahaha, it seems like such an obvious point that 'Catwoman' is no less silly-sounding than 'Batman', but I don't know, guys. A woman running around in a tight spandex or leather catsuit and being called Catwoman just sounds too whack for the Nolanverse. I wouldn't mind being proven wrong on that, though. And once again, PLEASE NO HARLEY. That would be a travesty.
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Old November 12 2010, 07:47 AM   #48
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Re: The Dark Knight to have a female villain?

Why is the notion of Catwoman fitting in the Nolanverse so hard to believe? I can think of several different ways of how Nolan could reimagine her to fit the world he's created, none of them outrageous and you know even in reality there are some pretty way out there people. If anyone can make Batman's rouges work it's Nolan.
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Old November 12 2010, 08:33 AM   #49
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Re: The Dark Knight to have a female villain?

If a man dressed up as a clown with green hair and white make-up can fit into Nolan's world, then a woman dressed up in a cat burglar outfit isn't that too far-fetched.
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Old November 12 2010, 10:41 AM   #50
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Interesting list. Out of that list, don't want Lively in the movie. Would love to see Portman as a villian. Whatever the result I have a feeling I'll be happy.
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Old November 12 2010, 10:59 AM   #51
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Re: The Dark Knight to have a female villain?

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Why is the notion of Catwoman fitting in the Nolanverse so hard to believe?
Or to put it another way:
How is that even possible?

I don't understand how someone can think a guy in a batsuit fits the Nolan films but not a girl in a catsuit. It's a total dissonance.

Catwoman is actually a pretty decent character, but on the other hand, not really a villain to hang a film on, because she's not opposed to Batman, really, they just kind of get in each other's way. Also, there's not much thematic power in "big buy beats up a woman who likes to steal shit." Fetish material, yes, but no thematic power.
She's ideal because she's an uninhibited Batman. Batman is going into a phase where he's a despised vigilante rather then a beloved one, and here's someone who actually uses underhanded tactics to the point that maybe Batman feels a need to take her out.

Cue arguments about the nature of justice in really growly voice and it's a wrap, people.

Poison Ivy was mentioned, but let's not kid ourselves, she's fundamentally a B-list Bat-villain. B+, at best.
Wait and this Talia isn't a B-lister?
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Old November 12 2010, 11:14 AM   #52
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Re: The Dark Knight to have a female villain?

Talia is the daughter of arguably Bruce's greatest enemy and the mother of his child, hardly a B-Lister. I already think Nolan himself has addressed the issue of a guy running around in a bat suit, at least he did in "The Dark Knight". A theme of the movie was how Bruce's psyche could endure his ongoing war on crime. I would consider Ivy an A lister, not sure what categorizes her as B list. She may have a difficult gimmick to accept but makes her no less lethal.
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Old November 12 2010, 11:29 AM   #53
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Would love to see Talia in this film. It would be a nice full circle from Batman Begins. Of the actresses listed, I think Weisz would fit that role the best. As for Catwoman, it's more wide open. Perhaps Naomi Watts. I can't really see Natalie Portman as either Talia or Selina. I don't know enough about the other actresses.
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Old November 12 2010, 11:33 AM   #54
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I am going to pass on this movie...I only saw Batman Begins & The Dark Knight on DVD well after they were released on DVD....just not feeling this movie now.

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Kind of early to be passing on a movie that's not even casted yet. Too early to get really excited for it if you're a casual Batman fan. I would wait until a trailer comes out before making a final decision.
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Old November 12 2010, 11:51 AM   #56
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Old November 12 2010, 12:32 PM   #57
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Dude, it's fucking Christopher Nolan. Man hasn't disappointed yet. You couldn't force me to pass on this movie if you put a gun to my head.
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Old November 12 2010, 12:32 PM   #58
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Talia is the daughter of arguably Bruce's greatest enemy
I would have grouped Ra's al-Ghul under the B-Lister category, to be clear. Never heard of him before Batman Begins and it's really Liam Neeson that manages to make the villain work.
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Old November 12 2010, 12:46 PM   #59
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^ I trust then this means you never watched "Batman: The Animated Series" where he was voiced by the great David Warner? Or read the great 70's Dennis O'Neil stories where he was first introduced? Along with the Joker, Ra's is Bruce's greatest enemy.
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Old November 12 2010, 12:53 PM   #60
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To be fair, to general audiences they probably didn't even know about Ra's until Batman Begins. Unlike The Joker or Two-Face, who appeared in previous movies and live-action incarnations of the character before, Ra's hadn't so you can understand why most people were unfamiliar with him prior to Batman Begins.
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