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Old November 9 2010, 02:25 PM   #16
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Re: Dune Production is In Trouble

One of the problems with the Lynch movie was , in my opinion, trying to tell too much of the story...trying to get in all that's in the first book.
This lead to many of the characters being a mouthpiece of exposition, including their inner dialogs.
The miniseries had more time to slowly get the story out.
I think a new movie would perhaps have to be streamlined and focus on creating an entertaining film that would inevitably be less complex than the book.
I even agree that a new movie should merge Gurney Halleck and Duncan Idaho as a previous poster said he'd heard.
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Old November 9 2010, 02:28 PM   #17
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Meh. Plenty of other good SF series out there in need of adapting.
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Old November 9 2010, 02:53 PM   #18
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Honestly I'm not surprised. A Dune remake was first announced three years ago, and in that time the only real developments were announcing a director, then announcing a replacement director.

I had mixed feeling about a remake anyway. The mini from 2000 is the definitive adaptation of Dune, so I wonder if this would really be necessary. I'm enough of a Dune fan that I would check it out anyway, but then you have the problem that Dune really is a complex novel to adapt. So much so, that a two or three hour movie isn't really enough time to properly serve the story. That's the primary problem the Lynch movie had. The Dune novels need six hour minis to properly tell the story.

And as for the rumour that Duncan Idaho and Gurney Halleck were going to be combined as one character, why and how? Both the Lynch movie and the 200 mini managed to keep them as seperate characters and indeed they are unique characters with their own fates in the novel and subsequent sequels which would be difficult to pull off if they were one. This screams to me of filling the quota requiring a film adaptation to take two of the original novel's characters and merge them into one.
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Old November 9 2010, 04:39 PM   #19
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Why not just do Chapterhouse and Heretics? GED is too cerebral for most audiences anyways.
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Old November 9 2010, 05:14 PM   #20
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I'm not surprised at all. I didn't have any faith in this when I didn't hear any good news for years. I don't think you can do just one film and have it make sense and do Dune justice, anyway. Three movies would have probably worked, though.

As far as combining Duncan and Gurney, that's ridiculous. Duncan becomes the most important character in the series and Gurney Halleck is one of my favorite characters. And I'm still upset no adaptation has done justice to Yueh or Thufir Hawat.
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Old November 9 2010, 07:25 PM   #21
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^ This is why I hated the treatment. The writer did nothing new except combining the two characters which really makes no sense. As Skywalker indicated Duncan IS a critical and important character throughout the series, so is Gurney to both Paul and Jessica.

I too think that both of the mini-series were incredibly well done and John Harrison deserves more credit than he is given for writing and directing brilliant adaptions. I have too many problems with the Lynch version despite it being my initiation to the whole Dune universe.

A David Fincher directed, Steve Zallian adapted "Dune" movie would be epic in my opinion but it would never happen. John Harrison is the closest that we've got to getting a "God Emperor of Dune" movie. I think GEOD had it ever been made would have been one of the most ambitious and bold mini-series in history...and certinally a ratings winner for then Sci-Fi Channel. James McAvoy would have been able to sink his acting chops into some of the most beautifully written words in all of science fiction with Leto II's lamentations and internal monologues. Duncan would have been brought back. It would have been interesting to see who was cast as Leto's dear, Hwi.

My friend and I attempted a "God Emperor of Dune" adaption starting with the prologue and the finding of Leto's Stolen Journals but got about twenty pages into the project before we began faltering and realizing just how damn difficult this was going to be.
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Old November 9 2010, 09:10 PM   #22
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I had always thought the Dune universe was well suited for an anime treatment. I wonder, if Paramount were to publish a DVD of Dune animated shorts that would introduce and broaden the universe of an eventual movie, whether that would be enough to allow them to retain rights; as well as to gauge interest via DVD sales.
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Old November 9 2010, 10:15 PM   #23
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While I believe a great Dune series could be made, I'm not sure any studio would be willing to put the resources into it needed to make it a worthy film. I just don't see Dune as Summer blockbuster material. Too complex.

That said, Ideally we would see something similar in scope, budget, and skill that was evident in the Lord of the Rings films. Dune would also be wise to follow Jackson's example of releasing extended versions down the road for those who want a more complete vision.

I Love the 1984 film, but I say that as a guy who likes David Lynch more than Dune.

I get that the miniseries is the most complete filmed version, but I've never cared for it. It's just lacking the budget and acting talent to make it very special.
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Old November 9 2010, 10:19 PM   #24
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James McAvoy started his career with "Children of Dune" and was brilliant. It has Ian McNiece as the Baron Harkonnen who's brilliant performance dominants the first mini-series. William Hurt does a suitable Duke Leto, and Alec Newman comes into his own during "Children of Dune" as well as the more mature Paul. I disagree that the acting talent isn't there.
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Old November 9 2010, 10:25 PM   #25
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Admiral_Young wrote: View Post
James McAvoy started his career with "Children of Dune" and was brilliant. It has Ian McNiece as the Baron Harkonnen who's brilliant performance dominants the first mini-series. William Hurt does a suitable Duke Leto, and Alec Newman comes into his own during "Children of Dune" as well as the more mature Paul. I disagree that the acting talent isn't there.
I will concede that I've only seen the first mini-series. I've heard Children of Dune is vastly superior in all respects.
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Old November 9 2010, 10:38 PM   #26
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^ This is why I hated the treatment. The writer did nothing new except combining the two characters which really makes no sense. As Skywalker indicated Duncan IS a critical and important character throughout the series, so is Gurney to both Paul and Jessica.
Out of curiosity, how was that meant to work? I can sort of see the logic from a story mechanic perspective. They're both lieutenants with close ties to Paul and his training, one of which is killed off a third of the way through while the other disappears until the latter third.

I'm picturing this Duncan Halleck (or Gurney Idaho?) taking Duncan's role for the first half of the film and Gurney's for the latter half. Being the one sent ahead to contact the Fremen, helping Paul and Jessica escape and thought killed by the Sardaukar only to turn up later with the smugglers. It could work if all you care about is making the one film but it would rather mangle the plot of any future films, unless he's killed off when they retake Arrakeen, or when baby Leto is killed...

I too think that both of the mini-series were incredibly well done and John Harrison deserves more credit than he is given for writing and directing brilliant adaptions. I have too many problems with the Lynch version despite it being my initiation to the whole Dune universe.
I actually had a lot more problems with the 2000 mini-series than I did with Lynch's film. Style counts and the mini always felt more like a stage production and a film. I'm not just talking about the poorly matched desert backdrops and the glow in the dark contacts but the whole colour pallet was practically in primary colours, many of the costumes were chronically over-designed (with some very silly hats) and the acting was very patchy. The absolute nadir of it for me was a moment in the third part (I think) when Paul is being urged to challenge Stilgar and this acting student with a middle class accent, pretending to be a Fremen yelps out "you are the Mah-*squeek*-di". Took me right out of it. Oh and that siech orgy scene; they took what should have been a primal outpouring of emotion and turned it into an impressionist dance routine.

Having said all that, CoD addressed most if not all of my concerns and was several orders of magnitude better. Alec Newman was pitch perfect as the preacher, something I never would have expected based on his previous performance. Oh and this bit was fantastic.

A David Fincher directed, Steve Zallian adapted "Dune" movie would be epic in my opinion but it would never happen. John Harrison is the closest that we've got to getting a "God Emperor of Dune" movie. I think GEOD had it ever been made would have been one of the most ambitious and bold mini-series in history...and certinally a ratings winner for then Sci-Fi Channel. James McAvoy would have been able to sink his acting chops into some of the most beautifully written words in all of science fiction with Leto II's lamentations and internal monologues. Duncan would have been brought back. It would have been interesting to see who was cast as Leto's dear, Hwi.

My friend and I attempted a "God Emperor of Dune" adaption starting with the prologue and the finding of Leto's Stolen Journals but got about twenty pages into the project before we began faltering and realizing just how damn difficult this was going to be.
I think GEoD would work best as background material for a Heratics/Chapterhouse adaptation rather than trying to make it stand on it's own. Aside from Leto squishing a few people and the death scene at the end, there's not much in the way of action, suspense or intrigue which would make it VERY tough to sit through even a breezy 2hr adaptation.
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Old November 9 2010, 10:42 PM   #27
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I would try and craft them a trilogy.
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Old November 9 2010, 11:06 PM   #28
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^I think the problem with that is that "Part 1" would be little more than an extended prologue that actually has very little to do with anything that happens in parts 2 & 3 and only one character appearing in all 3 parts...after a fashion at least since it's a different Duncan between 1 & 2 and then it's all the Duncans in 3. For one thing the actor playing Duncan would ave to be different in Part 2 as he's a much younger character. Fudging his age would destroy the father/son juxtaposition with Duncan and Teg as they essentially swap roles in Chapterhouse.

What you'd probably have to do is either cram GeOD & Heratics into one film, either with a LotR style extended prologue that touches on Leto, the Scattering and the Bene Gesserit's finally stepping forwards befor getting on with the actual plot or as I suggested before, weaving the essentials from GEoD into both Heretics and chapter house in the form of flashbacks and narrative back story.

I just can't see God Emperor working as an introduction to a trilogy on it's own. It's a slow burning book about introspection that focuses on the lonely agony and boredom of immortality and prescience. Not the most exciting way to kick of an epic space opera about the rise and fall of empires and the fate of all humankind...
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Old November 9 2010, 11:53 PM   #29
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Duncan was only a few years older than Paul in Dune. When he reappears as a ghola, he's about the same age from what I remember.
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Duncan is actually more like in his 30's would be my guess, and is considered one of Paul's teachers and mentors, the Duncan portrayed in the Lynch films looked like he was in his early 40's. The Ghola Duncan was of course the same age when he died on Arrakis.
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