A Brand New Day Has Passed...It's time For Peter to hit the Big Time!!

[Admiral_Young]

Big Time trailer...pretty well done and gives you a great tease of what is to come. Reveals that Peter and Carlie Cooper are dating which I quite like, although I was hoping he'd hook up with Norah Winters which I think is a better match for him. New suits (which the Spider Office has assured are actually temporarily and won't be around and plot specific) a new Hobgoblin and a new job! I will admit that I'm actually excited about what they've got planned for Pete. Hopefully they don't do anything to screw things up or piss fans off. I like Slott's work. I also like the fact that they are using one writer again.


http://www.newsarama.com/common/medi....php?aid=39145

[Admiral_Young]

So I guess no one here reads Spider-Man on a weekly basis? Brand New Day concluded last issue and we start Big Time next!!! I'm actually quite excited (except for Peter and Carlie, I think Norah is a better match for him) about some of the things they've got planned for Peter in the coming months. Harry was revealed as the father of Lily's baby and named him Stanley and proceeded to beat the crap out of Vin who revealed a Goblin tattoo on the back of his wrist (tying into the upcoming Osborn mini-series) for threatening his family. Peter and Carlie reconcile thanks to effort from MJ. Mephisto I believe is slated to make his appearance in either the next issue or the issue after....and Pete gets new threads when he takes on the updated Hobgoblin who's identity is unknown.

[Forbin]

Okay.

[Admiral_Young]

If there are any mods around, lock this thread down please. No one seems interested.

[Captain Craig]

BND just killed it, the 2yr trashing of Spidey lore has me interested in very little. I do want to see the new, temporary, costume and Hobgoblin but nothing else much beyond that.

[Admiral_Young]

I would agree with that to a degree, my main problem with BND of course as I've said multiple times is with the exception of Peter's romantic life the bulk of the stories featured there could still easily take place with MJ and Peter still married. Big Time seems promising so unless they do something to really screw things up and piss people off I'm hanging around.

[Christopher]

I think it's a little unfair to judge BND because of what happened in OMD. I agree with Chris Sims's review at ComicsAlliance:

It's not really a stretch to say that "Brand New Day" was controversial and it certainly had its share of detractors, but the majority of them seemed to be directed less at "BND" and more at the storyline that immediately preceded it, and on that front, I'm totally with 'em. But the end result, and I say this as someone with a documented love of the character, is that for the past two and a half years, "Brand New Day" gave us some of the best Spider-Man stories in decades.

I'll admit that at the start, I was extremely skeptical. It was, after all, spinning out of "One More Day," a story that doesn't have a lick of good in it. Everybody and their brother on the Comics Internet has thrashed that thing to the point where it barely even needs to be addressed at this point, but the fact of the matter is that it was a heavy-handed retcon that that was predicated on something completely antithetical to the spirit of the character.

Even worse, the whole thing -- Both "One More" and "Brand New" -- seemed to be motivated by the most pervasive enemy of good storytelling in comics today, nostalgia. The desire as I understood it back then was to return Spider-Man to the heights the character had seen in the '70s, and while those stories were great, I was worried that it was going to end up in the same self-indulgent repetition that often comes with alleged returns to greatness.

With Spider-Man, though, the creators understood that it wasn't just the characters in those stories that made them great, but how they were told. Instead of falling into the nostalgia trap, the creators and editors of Amazing Spider-Man got it in ways that other retcons completely missed.

So whether or not the initial motivation was to just get rid of Mary Jane and the marriage, "Brand New Day" really did give the books a new sense of energy and forward momentum. It's ironic, considering that the whole thing came as a result of an event that was criticized for wiping away years of character development, but for the first time in a long time, Spider-Man stories felt like they had some forward momentum to them.

So no denying that OMD was a bad thing, but something good has emerged in its wake.

[Technobuilder]

I completely lost any interest I had in the storyline of ongoing Spider-Man comics after OMD/BND.

Not to be a broken record, but I just don't see what the point of it was...

Not judging the quality of BND, just saying I don't care anymore.

[Captain Craig]

Sorry Christopher I disagree with that guys commentary and anyone who says BND has produced "some of the best stories in decades".
BND, which frankly we are still in despite no banners atop the issues, was nothing but blantant rahashed nostalgia told in less effective ways. Reimagining existing Spidey characters the first few right out of the gate, Freak/Jackpot/Negative/Screwball/another Goblin, were less interesting than their regular peers of Lizard/Black Cat/Tombstone etc.

BND, like anything that goes for awhile is bound to produce a few good things. Anti-Venom is one of those.

The art has been consistently average to horrid.

It's not just that OMD was bad it was followed up by mediocority. No amount of people calling "best stuff in decades" has fooled those that pony up $4 bucks. We stopped cause OMD & BND ARE NOT THE BEST STUFF IN DECADES for Spiderman.

[Showdown]

Admiral_Young wrote:

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Big Time trailer...pretty well done and gives you a great tease of what is to come. Reveals that Peter and Carlie Cooper are dating which I quite like, although I was hoping he'd hook up with Norah Winters which I think is a better match for him. New suits (which the Spider Office has assured are actually temporarily and won't be around and plot specific) a new Hobgoblin and a new job! I will admit that I'm actually excited about what they've got planned for Pete. Hopefully they don't do anything to screw things up or piss fans off. I like Slott's work. I also like the fact that they are using one writer again.


http://www.newsarama.com/common/medi....php?aid=39145

I like the new Hobgoblin's design, but not Spiderman's.

[Kestrel]

Sorry, I just can't care about 616-Spidey since One More Day.

I don't read Ultimate either, but I'm much more interested in that.

[Admiral_Young]

I too as I stated am not against Brand New Day and I disagree that we can't judge it based on OMD since that event was the origin and ultimately genesis of the concept. I've enjoyed some of the stories that BND has produced but to call them some of the "best" stories in years is a joke. What does that say about the previous stories? They're just trying to cover their asses meaning that these are some of the best stories without the marriage.

[Trevacious]

If they wanted Peter to be single again, they should've just put him thru a fucking divorce like real people instead of screwing with history (using the ever-near-to-dead Aunt May as the excuse and Mephisto as the shortcut).

Peter Parker should have had to deal with it instead of dealing out of it.

[Admiral_Young]

Quesada didn't want to "ruin" the character by having him go through a divorce or something like that.

[Christopher]

Admiral_Young wrote:

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I too as I stated am not against Brand New Day and I disagree that we can't judge it based on OMD since that event was the origin and ultimately genesis of the concept. I've enjoyed some of the stories that BND has produced but to call them some of the "best" stories in years is a joke. What does that say about the previous stories? They're just trying to cover their asses meaning that these are some of the best stories without the marriage.

What "they" are you talking about? The quote I posted was not by anyone involved with the creation of BND. Chris Sims is a reviewer who posts on ComicsAlliance and other sites. He doesn't work for Marvel. And as he says in the text I quoted, he hated OMD as much as the rest of us and agrees it was an awful idea. So you're being grossly unfair to him by dismissing his opinion of BND as some kind of corporate shilling by Marvel.