Fringe: "Amber 31422" - Nov. 4 - Grading & Discussion - Page 3

hadd001 · November 5 2010, 01:09 PM

This was an excellent episode! I am beginning to see that all of the "events" that the other side has attributed to "our" side are not caused by us at all, but by using the phase tech indiscrimanately over there. We are actually an excuse to put certain "protection protocals" into place to over see the populace. Added to that is the insanity of the alternate Walter ... which is more subtle than our own Walters ... and you have a decidedly volitile mix.

Forbin · November 5 2010, 02:00 PM

This may be JJ's best show. Not as frustrating as Lost, not as occasionally ridiculous as Alias, and not as infuriating as Trek 11.

Emh · November 5 2010, 02:08 PM

I don't know, I was fairly frustrated with the writing early on, especially in the regards to the dialogue. I think it's too early to say Fringe is better than LOST but it certainly has the potential to exceed it. Otherwise, I agree with your assessment.

Also, you left out "not nearly as nauseating as Cloverfield."

propita · November 5 2010, 03:16 PM

The tie-in with the phasing tech we saw before in our universe and the holes it’s causing in B-universe was interesting.

Is this amber any relation to the stuff on the bus in an early episode? I don’t remember enough.

As for “the actors can’t act the B-universe characters” comment ... BS! Gee, those characters are so different, they’re wooden, blah blah blah. No shit! They’re supposed to be different. Actors who act well can act “wooden” when the role calls for it or the director tells them to. The point of the difference is to show that there IS a difference. Our Broyles and their Broyles SHOULD be different. Our Astrid and their Astrid ARE different. The actors better treat them differently, and the actors are doing so.

Worf2DS9 · November 5 2010, 03:23 PM

^ If I recall, the amber in the bus started off in a gaseous form as well, so I don't think it's a stretch that the culprit was from the alt-universe, though I don't recall exactly the specifics.

Forbin · November 5 2010, 04:36 PM

Yes, the amber was the same on the bus.

Samuel Walters · November 5 2010, 04:59 PM

Good catch regarding the amber in the Blue-verse. I'd forgotten about that. It was the third episode of the series, titled "Ghost Network." Kinda demonstrates that this series has had some fundamental ideas in place right from the start.

Starbreaker · November 5 2010, 05:00 PM

Well, the ratings dropped below 5 million. FOX is really, really bad at promotion and scheduling. Looks like we might see the end of Fringe, Chuck, and SGU this year. I'd hate to see all my sci-fi die at once.

Hyperspace05 · November 5 2010, 05:06 PM

Yeah lots of call back to early Fringe tech here.... The 'amber' and phasing technology seen in S1 clearly originate in the alternate universe. I'm sure we will see more.

Tom · November 5 2010, 05:18 PM

Starbreaker wrote:

Well, the ratings dropped below 5 million. FOX is really, really bad at promotion and scheduling. Looks like we might see the end of Fringe, Chuck, and SGU this year. I'd hate to see all my sci-fi die at once.

Well NBC just canceled Abram's Undercovers series so he is not untouchable

Samurai8472 · November 5 2010, 05:21 PM

Forbin wrote:

This may be JJ's best show. Not as frustrating as Lost, not as occasionally ridiculous as Alias, and not as infuriating as Trek 11.

Not as groan inducing as "Felicity" and not as forgettable as "Undercovers"

bigdaddy · November 5 2010, 05:21 PM

Starbreaker wrote:

Well, the ratings dropped below 5 million. FOX is really, really bad at promotion and scheduling. Looks like we might see the end of Fringe, Chuck, and SGU this year. I'd hate to see all my sci-fi die at once.

Fucking Fox!

They should have moved it to Wednesday's during the break, so fucking stupid.

Fox has 6-7 dramas, Fringe, Human Target, Lie to Me, ect. this year and frankly they only need 1-2 for next year because The X Factor will be taking up three hours.

I really fucking hate Fox right now.

startrekwatcher · November 5 2010, 05:29 PM

Forbin wrote:

This may be JJ's best show

That would be damning it with faint praise considering the quality of most of his shows/films isn't that good--Undercovers was bland recycled mediocrity that deservedly just got canned; Alias was all over the map but mostly just bad; Trek XI was nothing more than flash that hoped to cover up the poor story, the lack of emotional resonance, the thinnest of characters, a cypher as a main villian and a pointless appearance by Old Spock by having a dizzying pace in order to not give the audience a chance to see how mediocre a film it was.

LOST is really the only show that has his name attached to it that was any good but not coincidentally he left early on and had no input in it since the first season leaving it in the mostly capable hands of Lindelof & Cuse for the last five years. He even freely admits this.

Fringe is an okay series--it really doesn't do anything new and it doesn't even really do the pedestrian stuff all that great either. It recycles a whole bunch of old chestnuts most of us have seen in sff genre but doesn't do it any better than its predecessors. It is a watered-down X-Files wannabe with not nearly as good writing and most definitely nowhere the calibre of actors and characters as TXF. The only thing that has kept me tuning in has been the drought of sff and the ongoing mythology which is about the only thing that I see where there is a spark to it.

propita wrote:

As for “the actors can’t act the B-universe characters” comment ... BS! Gee, those characters are so different, they’re wooden, blah blah blah.

We'll just have to disagree. To me the acting among all of them barring, as is always the case, Walter/Walternate is not very good. The actress who plays Alt Astrid looks so uncomfortable trying to pull off her alternate character--she does a wonderful job with the reg version so it is pretty obvious that she just doesn't have the acting range to do the other persona.

Our Broyles and their Broyles SHOULD be different.

But they don't act that different. The actor plays him the same way--deep voice,monotone, matter-of-fact.

The actors better treat them differently, and the actors are doing so.

I don't have a problem with the actors treating the different characters differently--I'm saying probably through a combination of weak writing and weak acting by those involved they aren't doing an effective job. It is just cringe-worthy.

LitmusDragon · November 5 2010, 05:43 PM

Pretty good. I voted Average. The mythology stuff was good but I wasn't particularly compelled by the plot line with the twin brothers.

Starbreaker · November 5 2010, 07:48 PM

For all you "haters", just wait until the show is cancelled and I'll tell you what episodes you need to watch in order to get the "mythology." It's just getting old to come in and bitch about the same television shows week after week. If you don't like it that much, don't watch it. Go pull out some Star Trek: TNG DVDs or catch up on Dancing With the Stars. There's a difference in being critical and being annoying.

But, truthfully, I'm not defending this episode per se. It was pretty bad.

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November 5 2010, 01:09 PM	#31
hadd001 Lieutenant	Re: Fringe: "Amber 31422" - Nov. 4 - Grading & Discussion This was an excellent episode! I am beginning to see that all of the "events" that the other side has attributed to "our" side are not caused by us at all, but by using the phase tech indiscrimanately over there. We are actually an excuse to put certain "protection protocals" into place to over see the populace. Added to that is the insanity of the alternate Walter ... which is more subtle than our own Walters ... and you have a decidedly volitile mix.

November 5 2010, 02:00 PM	#32
Forbin Admiral Location: I said out, dammit!	Re: Fringe: "Amber 31422" - Nov. 4 - Grading & Discussion This may be JJ's best show. Not as frustrating as Lost, not as occasionally ridiculous as Alias, and not as infuriating as Trek 11. __________________ My kitbashes: http://www.inpayne.com/models/kitbash/trekpage.html My Kitbash Wallpapers: http://www.inpayne.com/models/wallpa...allpapers.html My kitbash calendar: http://inpayne.com/calendar/kbcalendar2013.html

November 5 2010, 02:08 PM	#33
Emh The Doctor Location: Japan	Re: Fringe: "Amber 31422" - Nov. 4 - Grading & Discussion I don't know, I was fairly frustrated with the writing early on, especially in the regards to the dialogue. I think it's too early to say Fringe is better than LOST but it certainly has the potential to exceed it. Otherwise, I agree with your assessment. Also, you left out "not nearly as nauseating as Cloverfield." __________________ "Eccleston was a tiger and Tennant was, well, Tigger. Smith [is] an uncoordinated housecat who pretends that he meant to do that after falling off a piece of furniture." - Lynne M. Thomas "I'm in Hell and it's full of Avons!" - Vila

November 5 2010, 03:16 PM	#34
propita Rear Admiral Location: fresno, ca, us	Re: Fringe: "Amber 31422" - Nov. 4 - Grading & Discussion The tie-in with the phasing tech we saw before in our universe and the holes it’s causing in B-universe was interesting. Is this amber any relation to the stuff on the bus in an early episode? I don’t remember enough. As for “the actors can’t act the B-universe characters” comment ... BS! Gee, those characters are so different, they’re wooden, blah blah blah. No shit! They’re supposed to be different. Actors who act well can act “wooden” when the role calls for it or the director tells them to. The point of the difference is to show that there IS a difference. Our Broyles and their Broyles SHOULD be different. Our Astrid and their Astrid ARE different. The actors better treat them differently, and the actors are doing so.

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November 5 2010, 03:23 PM	#35
Worf2DS9 Writer Location: Canada, eh	Re: Fringe: "Amber 31422" - Nov. 4 - Grading & Discussion ^ If I recall, the amber in the bus started off in a gaseous form as well, so I don't think it's a stretch that the culprit was from the alt-universe, though I don't recall exactly the specifics. __________________ Shorts in: SNW5 \| SNW7 \| SNW9 + Star Trek: Corps of Engineers - "The Light" + Full Throttle Space Tales #3: Space Grunts - "Rush"

November 5 2010, 04:36 PM	#36
Forbin Admiral Location: I said out, dammit!	Re: Fringe: "Amber 31422" - Nov. 4 - Grading & Discussion Yes, the amber was the same on the bus. __________________ My kitbashes: http://www.inpayne.com/models/kitbash/trekpage.html My Kitbash Wallpapers: http://www.inpayne.com/models/wallpa...allpapers.html My kitbash calendar: http://inpayne.com/calendar/kbcalendar2013.html

November 5 2010, 04:59 PM	#37
Samuel Walters Commodore Location: A ship of the imagination.	Re: Fringe: "Amber 31422" - Nov. 4 - Grading & Discussion Good catch regarding the amber in the Blue-verse. I'd forgotten about that. It was the third episode of the series, titled "Ghost Network." Kinda demonstrates that this series has had some fundamental ideas in place right from the start. __________________ The Andira Chronicles, Book 1: The Darkness

November 5 2010, 05:00 PM	#38
Starbreaker Fleet Admiral	Re: Fringe: "Amber 31422" - Nov. 4 - Grading & Discussion Well, the ratings dropped below 5 million. FOX is really, really bad at promotion and scheduling. Looks like we might see the end of Fringe, Chuck, and SGU this year. I'd hate to see all my sci-fi die at once.

November 5 2010, 05:06 PM	#39
Hyperspace05 Commodore	Re: Fringe: "Amber 31422" - Nov. 4 - Grading & Discussion Yeah lots of call back to early Fringe tech here.... The 'amber' and phasing technology seen in S1 clearly originate in the alternate universe. I'm sure we will see more.

November 5 2010, 05:43 PM	#44
LitmusDragon Commodore Location: The Barmuda Triangle	Re: Fringe: "Amber 31422" - Nov. 4 - Grading & Discussion Pretty good. I voted Average. The mythology stuff was good but I wasn't particularly compelled by the plot line with the twin brothers. __________________ Check out my photos of Oregon on Facebook Linguiphiles, unite!

November 5 2010, 07:48 PM	#45
Starbreaker Fleet Admiral	Re: Fringe: "Amber 31422" - Nov. 4 - Grading & Discussion For all you "haters", just wait until the show is cancelled and I'll tell you what episodes you need to watch in order to get the "mythology." It's just getting old to come in and bitch about the same television shows week after week. If you don't like it that much, don't watch it. Go pull out some Star Trek: TNG DVDs or catch up on Dancing With the Stars. There's a difference in being critical and being annoying. But, truthfully, I'm not defending this episode per se. It was pretty bad.