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View Poll Results: How would you rate Zero Sum Game?
Outstanding 38 22.22%
Above Average 78 45.61%
Average 45 26.32%
Below Average 8 4.68%
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Old October 27 2010, 01:43 AM   #76
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I got the Nook version and started it. Haven't made it past the stuff that I've already read online though.
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Old October 27 2010, 02:37 PM   #77
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Re: Typhon Pact: Zero Sum Game Review thread

Mine came through the post today, upto page 40 with the explanation of the Breen which made me chuckle, was a brilliant, yet somewhat obvious way of getting around all the different explanation of what they look like.

Also, can it be inferred that Kira is an admiral and not a captain now?
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Old October 27 2010, 03:03 PM   #78
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Mine came through the post today, upto page 40 with the explanation of the Breen which made me chuckle, was a brilliant, yet somewhat obvious way of getting around all the different explanation of what they look like.

Also, can it be inferred that Kira is an admiral and not a captain now?
I have a feeling that sentence was cut off so as to imply that, but that really something more interesting is going on.
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Old October 27 2010, 04:48 PM   #79
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^ My hope is that the seeming likelihood of something else having happened to Kira is itself a misdirection. I'd like to see her as an admiral.
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Old October 27 2010, 05:57 PM   #80
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^I assume she's in Starfleet, then? Because the Bajoran Militia had army ranks, rather than the "navy" system of Starfleet.

So...has the Militia been absorbed into Starfleet by this time?
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Old October 27 2010, 06:11 PM   #81
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^I assume she's in Starfleet, then? Because the Bajoran Militia had army ranks, rather than the "navy" system of Starfleet.

So...has the Militia been absorbed into Starfleet by this time?
That happened when Bajor joined the Federation in Unity and Kira became a Captain. I assumed this tease was mainly there to leave a bit more of the new DS9 status quo to be revealed in Rough Beasts of Empire. The main possibilities that come to mind are Admiral, Vedek and Kai, with Kai hopefully being out of the question as redundant with the Online game continuity.

The train of thought does seem to suggest Admiral, but it probably depends mostly on where the DS9-R is headed next. There was a blurb for RBoE that said something about Kira being in a monastery on Bajor, but I think that blurb has since been changed and may quite possibly have been erroneous or outdated.
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Old October 27 2010, 08:28 PM   #82
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I noticed when I got the Nookbook version that it says it is 269, but both Barnes & Noble and Simon & Schuster's websites list it as 352. So is the number on the number on the sites a typo, or is something wrong with the Nook version?
EDIT: I just checked and it even says 352 on the details page of the nook version.
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Old October 27 2010, 09:10 PM   #83
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^I assume she's in Starfleet, then? Because the Bajoran Militia had army ranks, rather than the "navy" system of Starfleet.

So...has the Militia been absorbed into Starfleet by this time?
That happened when Bajor joined the Federation in Unity and Kira became a Captain. I assumed this tease was mainly there to leave a bit more of the new DS9 status quo to be revealed in Rough Beasts of Empire. The main possibilities that come to mind are Admiral, Vedek and Kai, with Kai hopefully being out of the question as redundant with the Online game continuity.

The train of thought does seem to suggest Admiral, but it probably depends mostly on where the DS9-R is headed next. There was a blurb for RBoE that said something about Kira being in a monastery on Bajor, but I think that blurb has since been changed and may quite possibly have been erroneous or outdated.
Well, "Kai" would be a nice bit of irony, considering her previous "Attainted" status.
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Old October 28 2010, 02:58 AM   #84
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I ordered a copy from B&N, but it still hasn't arrived in the mail. Under order status, it just says "Shipped" as of October 22. I'll keep my eye out and read online excerpts. Yes, I'm paying one and half times more ordering online, but it's my way calling dibbs.
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Old October 28 2010, 03:38 AM   #85
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Just finished it.

Spoiler free review:

I think this book is going to make a lot of people around here very happy, people who've been disappointed with the dark epic scope of everything recently and have been wanting some smaller-scale, more episodic stories. This book might feel the most like a TV episode of any Trek book published since Destiny, including the TOS books early this year. Minor but interesting strides in character development, A and B plot, small bits of exposition into a new culture that could be built upon later… it all feels exactly like it’s coming from a TV perspective.

Which on the one hand is kind of a nice change of pace. The Voyager and Titan books last year were pretty emotionally heavy, the TOS books this year tried to fill in gaps but mostly sucked, and the Destiny & fallout from before all that was epic and enormous. A quick little tossed-off action thriller is something that hasn’t been seen in a while, and it’s welcome for that. And as part of a Typhon Pact exploration, this does a great job setting the political scene and establishing how it all operates; there are plenty of behind-the-scenes glimpses into the Breen relationship with the Romulans, and the cold war aspect in general is beautifully done.

But on the other hand, this is the first 24th century novel to arrive in a year, it's marketed as a fairly major event, and the best parts about it are the hints about the ongoing DS9 story that another novel might pick up… eventually. Especially coming from David Mack, who hasn’t written a novel that wasn’t HOLYSHIT epic since his Wolverine thing, I found it a little disappointing, I won’t lie. I mean, he posted in this very thread about how he loves putting his favorite characters through hell, but no one actually goes through anything in this book. There’s a strong implication that major, soul-wrenching things are going to happen soon in these characters' lives, which I find excellent, but the character development actually present was completely shallow and unconvincing.

And no one on the Aventine did anything that any other crew couldn’t have done. I actually really like the Aventine crew, and was hoping I’d get something new from them, but even the quirky banter thing that everyone had going in staff meetings in Destiny was notably absent here. The attempts at punchlines from Dax and Bowers didn’t do much for me, and ultimately nothing was even as interesting as Kedair’s one-chapter investigation from A Singular Destiny.

In general, I think that this is the kind of book that would’ve fit in perfectly with the DS9 relaunch as it worked before, much like the Section 31 and Gateways books did: fun one-off adventures that played with larger stories around the edges. But getting only one or at most two books to continue these particular threads each year, and especially promising “THE SAGA OF DEEP SPACE NINE WILL CONTINUE” at the end when I know that it won’t until February 2012 at the earliest, I find this kind of incremental development unsatisfying. The book provided several brilliant hints, glimpses, or foreshadowings, and the like, but it didn’t actually do much of anything. Not what I was hoping for, unfortunately.
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Old October 28 2010, 04:37 AM   #86
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I liked the review threads people used to make that had polls at the top, for people to rate the book. Can we close this one and make one of those, or am I the only person that cares about stuff like that? haha.

I'm with you though; I'm excited. The first 24-th century full in-continuity novel since almost exactly a year ago. And David Mack to boot!
I'm pretty sure JD can add a poll to the thread. At the very bottom of the page, on the left-hand side should be an "add a poll to this thread" button.

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nope, not even moderators can add polls to threads in vB, you'll have to have admin access for that.

one option is for someone to start a thread with a poll, and either LS or myself merge the two threads.
Supermods can do it. Then again, I haven't seen any supermods around here...
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Old October 28 2010, 04:56 AM   #87
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^C'mon...doesn't T'Bonz/T'Boo count?
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I mean, he posted in this very thread about how he loves putting his favorite characters through hell, but no one actually goes through anything in this book.
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Old October 28 2010, 04:43 PM   #89
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It's not called torture anymore. It's enhanced interrogation.
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Old October 28 2010, 05:20 PM   #90
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It's not called torture anymore. It's enhanced interrogation.
no, that's the cardassian term. the feds still call it torture...
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