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View Poll Results: Vote for BEST
The Little Mermaid 6 10.53%
The Rescuers Down Under 1 1.75%
Beauty and the Beast 17 29.82%
Aladdin 11 19.30%
The Lion King 15 26.32%
Pocahontas 0 0%
The Hunchback of Notre Dame 4 7.02%
Hercules 0 0%
Mulan 2 3.51%
Tarzan 1 1.75%
Voters: 57. You may not vote on this poll

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Old October 27 2010, 10:32 PM   #16
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Re: POLL: Best Movie from the Disney Renaissance?

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^Totally agree about "Pocahontas" and "Lill & Stitch". The latter is a superb movie.

Out of the ones in the poll though, I'm gonna say "The Hunchback of Notre Dame". One of the few movies that was actually made even better by the Swedish dub. And it's pretty damned great in the original version.

Case in point for the Swedish dub:



The sheer power of the Swedish voice artists voice still stuns me. Also the best villain song ever by Disney.
Despite my feelings about Hunchback (which largely result from the unsympathetic main character), I love Hellfire. I think I prefer the original English version, though. Something about the voice of the Swedish singer seems discordant with the rest of the music to me; I think his singing may be too uniformly deep (or perhaps I lack the deep bass hearing needed to fully appreciate it).
That's what I love about it, it's just so forceful that it drives in the characters lust even more, makes the point even harder. Which is not a bad thing in such a emotionally honest thing as a musical.
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Old October 27 2010, 11:31 PM   #17
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Re: POLL: Best Movie from the Disney Renaissance?

The Little Mermaid - the one that started it all. Some great songs, memorable villain; bland love interest. I didn't see this one until I was in high school, so I don't feel the same attachment to it as to the others.

Beauty and the Beast - a deserved Best Picture nominee; pretty much every song is a genuine classic. One of the better male leads, and Belle is probably the most fully-realized form of the spunky Disney female lead.

Aladdin - revolutionary in its impact on animation due to Robin Williams, again, great songs. Also gets some nostalgia points from me for the awesome animated series that I watched religiously, so in a way I feel most familiar with this set of characters.

The Lion King - I was born in 1987, so this movie was pretty much a god in its own right in my childhood. Every song is a classic, and it has some of the most epic and iconic imagery in any Disney film.

Pocahontas - suffers a bit from earnestness/a sense of its own importance, but quite enjoyable.

The Hunchback of Notre Dame - a flawed masterpiece, the film most likely to be seriously reappraised when you reach adulthood and appreciate some aspects of it more. Because, really, this movie takes on subject matter that is more serious than anything Pixar has ever done. The comedic stuff with the Gargoyles muddies the tone and doesn't mix well with the more potent dramatic elements; it's stuck between being much lighter than the book and much darker than a normal Disney film. Frollo is the greatest villain in Disney canon.

Hercules - fun, if probably the slightest film here. Guaranteed to annoy mythology purists, but speaking as a myth fan, it's not like the originals were renowned for their rock-solid continuity. Greek myth has more inconsistencies than the DC comics universe. One of the most fun villains ever.

Mulan - the strongest and most consistent package since The Lion King (not quite as serious as Hunchback, but in complete command of its tone). Mulan has deservedly gone down as perhaps Disney's most ass-kicking female lead. And Disney beats Dreamworks to the Eddie Murphy comedy sidekick.

Tarzan - this feels the most distinctly different from the rest of them, what with the non-integrated soundtrack of rock music, etc. Not as remembered as Mulan, but I'd place it on a similar level. They do a good spin on the Tarzan mythos, and being animated allows them to explore a lot of aspects of it (such as Tarzan's interaction with the apes and his childhood) that live action films can't. In a way, it's too bad that Disney made this movie in 1999, because it's the sort of male-friendly property that would be very useful to release now.

I'll give my vote to The Lion King.
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Old October 27 2010, 11:39 PM   #18
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Re: POLL: Best Movie from the Disney Renaissance?

Another bonus for "Beauty and the Beast" is the opportunity to hear Detective Lenny Brisco sing in a French accent!
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Old October 27 2010, 11:57 PM   #19
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Beauty and The Beast.

Been in love with Belle since I first saw it.
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Old October 28 2010, 03:10 AM   #20
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Beauty and The Beast.

Been in love with Belle since I first saw it.
Ditto.

The Hellfire scene is one of the better Disney Villain rants, though.
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Old October 28 2010, 03:19 AM   #21
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The Rescuers Down Under, Pocahontas, Hercules, Tarzan have no votes. I can't say I'm surprised. They are good but not classics.

The Rescuers Down Under REALLY looks like the odd man out when compared to the other movies from the Renaissance.
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Old October 28 2010, 03:43 AM   #22
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The Hellfire scene is one of the better Disney Villain rants, though.
It's criminal that that didn't win Best Song that year; wasn't even nominated. But then, the Academy never nominates the villain song, for some weird reason.

"Hellfire" is easily the greatest villain song in Disney. It's especially interesting because of how Frollo's character progresses: at the start of the movie, by our standards, Frollo is already pretty evil; in "Hellfire" he embraces evil even by his own standards.
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Old October 28 2010, 03:51 AM   #23
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Beauty and the Beast is the best balance of drama, comedy, music, story, and animation of all the poll's options. Plus, it was Howard Ashman's last. I wish we could have seen what his genius could have done with the stories to come. Though Alan Menken's work is also brilliant, the two of them together are simply magical.

The Little Mermaid really did revive Disney, didn't it! I often wonder if we would have gotten all those great movies - both Disney and Pixar - if it hadn't been for Mermaid.
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Old October 28 2010, 03:53 AM   #24
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"Beauty and the Beast", barely beating out "Mulan". For once the protagonist was truly focused upon others' needs
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Old October 28 2010, 03:57 AM   #25
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The Little Mermaid really did revive Disney, didn't it! I often wonder if we would have gotten all those great movies - both Disney and Pixar - if it hadn't been for Mermaid.
Almost certainly no; it was the thin edge of the wedge.

While the various Pixar people and Don Bluth have always gotten a lot of press, I think Ron Clements and John Musker's enormous influence on the last twenty years of animation gets overlooked a lot. They directed The Little Mermaid, which basically set the template for the Disney female lead story that all the subsequent films would follow; and Aladdin (and Hercules), which more or less set the model that Dreamworks and other animation studios have been using ever since.
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Old October 28 2010, 04:45 AM   #26
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Another bonus for "Beauty and the Beast" is the opportunity to hear Detective Lenny Brisco sing in a French accent!
Little Mermaid has Constable Odo singing in a French accent. That's gotta be worth a point or two around here.
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Old October 28 2010, 06:19 AM   #27
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This thread makes me want to rent Hunchbank and Lilo & Stitch, neither of which I've seen. Disappointing that they aren't on Blu-ray yet.
I haven't seen Lilo & Stitch, so I can't comment there.

However, I'm not at all surprised that Hunchback isn't out on Blu-ray. It is, after all, the red-headed step-child of the Disney canon. It seems like the company has gone to extreme pains to distance itself from the movie.

Case in point - I was at Disney World a mere three years after The Hunchback of Notre Dame was in theatres. I had to search long and hard for ANY Hunchback merchandise; they simply were not promoting the moive at all.
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Old October 28 2010, 06:24 AM   #28
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Brother Bear.

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^ Actually, Brother Bear is the only one since Hunchback that I've seen that was anywhere near worth a damn.
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Old October 28 2010, 06:59 AM   #30
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My favorite, THE GREAT MOUSE DETECTIVE, was released right before this period. Since it is not an option, I'll opt for THE RESCUERS DOWN UNDER, though I must admit I haven't seen it since my childhood, so I have no idea if it holds up.
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