Observation having to do with the cast - Page 2

InklingStar · August 15 2010, 04:30 AM

Milo Bloom wrote:

When casting TNG, one gets the feeling that, not only were they going for a diverse crew, but they were also intentionally looking to not simply duplicate the TOS cast. Thus the youngish cowboy-diplomat captain becomes a seasoned man of letters, and his XO is the up and coming young fellow quick with a bit of wit or his phaser.

TNG followed the original plan for Phase II almost to the letter. The veteran captain (Kirk), the young brash XO (Decker), the telepathic officer with a past relationship with the XO (Ilia), and the science officer who wants to be human (Xon).

Shatnertage · August 15 2010, 05:00 AM

^^^ Did the idea of having a families on board start with Phase II, or was that new to TNG?

T'Girl · August 17 2010, 12:01 AM

Tora Ziyal wrote:

jonathan252 wrote:

The producers of Star Trek TNG may have messed up here - why would they cast him as a fatherly figure? It serves no point.

I don't understand YOUR point. Why do you think they messed up? And what point would be served by his NOT sometimes being a fatherly figure?

A ship's Captain being a father to his crew is a concept that goes back for thousands of years

redabby · August 18 2010, 01:11 AM

Hi, I also cannot quite See your point, I never noticed him being particularly fatherly other than with Wesley or maybe Data . I suppose being the captain will always mean a bit of a gap between yourself and the other crew members whether they are younger or older because of rank. Also 7 years is not alot of difference in age when you are a mature adult so I don't see that point and he had a equal relationship with Dr Crusher who was similar in age. Claire.

Willieck · August 19 2010, 11:13 PM

Malleus wrote:

jonathan252 wrote:

Have you noticed that Patrick Stewart is at least 12 years older then all the rest of the cast of Star Trek TNG?

He was only born in 1940. Two of the cast members were born in 1949.

Never mind. Devil Eyes beat me to it.

He's the same age as me. Just a youngster in fact.

jonathan252 · October 8 2010, 07:03 AM

spookytage wrote:

How about Admiral Satie? She outranked him and was older than him, and their relationship changed a great deal during the episode.

I think it makes perfect sense to have a senior captain commanding the Federation flagship.

I just saw that episode for the first time a few days ago. "The Drumhead," it is called. It is a somewhat interesting episode. That was quite a negative encounter Patrick had with Jean Simmons - I've never seen Captain Picard in such an encounter before. I've seen Michael Dorn in one (with the ambassador who was annoying him), Data in one (with the woman who destroyed the Crystalline Entity), Commander Riker in many (with his ex-captain Eric, with Deanna Troy in Gambit, Worf in All Good Things, with the current captain and Captain Picard in Gambit, in Frame of Mind, on the Klingon ship in that officer exchange program episode), but not Captain Picard. It was interesting and instructive, and only possible with someone who is his rank or outranks him, and is also his age or older. Thanks for the info.

I never disputed that it makes sense to have a senior captain commanding the Federation Flagship though. It makes sense. He wasn't exactly senior though. He wasn't as old as he looked, only 53 at the end of the series.

vess · October 8 2010, 05:16 PM

Although it was only for one act of one episode, Admiral J.P. Hansen is another example of someone older and outranking Picard.

RoJoHen · October 9 2010, 07:27 PM

Kreacher wrote:

jonathan252 wrote:

The producers of Star Trek TNG may have messed up here - why would they cast him as a fatherly figure? It serves no point.

I don't understand YOUR point. Why do you think they messed up? And what point would be served by his NOT sometimes being a fatherly figure?

I'm confused as well. What's wrong with him being a fatherly figure?

Tora Ziyal · October 11 2010, 10:27 PM

Horror Club wrote:

Tora Ziyal wrote:

jonathan252 wrote:

The producers of Star Trek TNG may have messed up here - why would they cast him as a fatherly figure? It serves no point.

I don't understand YOUR point. Why do you think they messed up? And what point would be served by his NOT sometimes being a fatherly figure?

A ship's Captain being a father to his crew is a concept that goes back for thousands of years

Exactly.

jonathan252 · October 11 2010, 10:55 PM

Not RoJoHen wrote:

Kreacher wrote:

jonathan252 wrote:

The producers of Star Trek TNG may have messed up here - why would they cast him as a fatherly figure? It serves no point.

I don't understand YOUR point. Why do you think they messed up? And what point would be served by his NOT sometimes being a fatherly figure?

I'm confused as well. What's wrong with him being a fatherly figure?

Psychological issues with parents, I don't know too much about Freudian psychology though. Maybe the producers are trying to get us to subliminally like the show more by identifying Patrick Stewart as a father figure. Wouldn't work for people who are older then him though.

Sky · October 11 2010, 11:58 PM

jonathan252 wrote:

Psychological issues with parents, I don't know too much about Freudian psychology though. Maybe the producers are trying to get us to subliminally like the show more by identifying Patrick Stewart as a father figure. Wouldn't work for people who are older then him though.

I don't think there's anything Freudian there. After all, Kirk was supposed to be an exceptionally young starship captain at his mid-thirties. I think that Picard is more or less the typical age. Of course, his age might make him seem more trustworthy - I myself prefer experienced pilots in their 50's to pilots in their 20's after all when I'm on an airplane...

nixified · October 12 2010, 01:35 AM

Has anyone mentioned Guinan? She's possibly the oldest humanoid in TNG, and has hundreds of years on Picard...

RoJoHen · October 12 2010, 05:22 AM

jonathan252 wrote:

Not RoJoHen wrote:

Kreacher wrote:

I don't understand YOUR point. Why do you think they messed up? And what point would be served by his NOT sometimes being a fatherly figure?

I'm confused as well. What's wrong with him being a fatherly figure?

Psychological issues with parents, I don't know too much about Freudian psychology though. Maybe the producers are trying to get us to subliminally like the show more by identifying Patrick Stewart as a father figure. Wouldn't work for people who are older then him though.

What psychological issues with parents? What are you even talking about? Just because a character is old doesn't mean I automatically think of them as parents. Picard is an older, experienced role model for his crew. I still don't understand why you think this is a bad thing.

Shatnertage · October 12 2010, 05:27 AM

Oh yeah, they definitely wanted us to identify with him as a father figure. Which was why they made a point of him saying during the pilot that he didn't like kids, and wanted his first officer to deal with them. Very fatherly, to be sure.

Who tagged this thread with "brainwashing?" And why? Because I don't think having a veteran officer as the commander of a large vessel qualifies as brainwashing.

Tora Ziyal · October 12 2010, 03:01 PM

We're all confusing the actors w/ the characters. The ages of the actors themselves are irrelevant. Picard was born in 2305. According to Memory Alpha, he was captain of the Enterprise-D from 2364 to 2371, so he was 59 to 66 years old.

nixified wrote:

Has anyone mentioned Guinan? She's possibly the oldest humanoid in TNG, and has hundreds of years on Picard...

Good point.

jonathan252 wrote:

Maybe the producers are trying to get us to subliminally like the show more by identifying Patrick Stewart as a father figure. Wouldn't work for people who are older then him though.

Jonathan, I think you're trying to read way too much into Captain Picard's age. You taking psychology this semester?

August 15 2010, 05:00 AM	#17
Shatnertage Rear Admiral Location: Starting a countdown, to Lt. Bailey's dismay.	Re: Observation having to do with the cast ^^^ Did the idea of having a families on board start with Phase II, or was that new to TNG? __________________ I don't say 'sabotage.' You say 'sabotage.' I say 'sabataage." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlOTRxt-dIw

August 18 2010, 01:11 AM	#19
redabby Ensign	Re: Observation having to do with the cast Hi, I also cannot quite See your point, I never noticed him being particularly fatherly other than with Wesley or maybe Data . I suppose being the captain will always mean a bit of a gap between yourself and the other crew members whether they are younger or older because of rank. Also 7 years is not alot of difference in age when you are a mature adult so I don't see that point and he had a equal relationship with Dr Crusher who was similar in age. Claire.

October 8 2010, 05:16 PM	#22
vess Lieutenant	Re: Observation having to do with the cast Although it was only for one act of one episode, Admiral J.P. Hansen is another example of someone older and outranking Picard.

October 12 2010, 01:35 AM	#27
nixified Cadet Location: the midwest	Re: Observation having to do with the cast Has anyone mentioned Guinan? She's possibly the oldest humanoid in TNG, and has hundreds of years on Picard...

October 12 2010, 05:27 AM	#29
Shatnertage Rear Admiral Location: Starting a countdown, to Lt. Bailey's dismay.	Re: Observation having to do with the cast Oh yeah, they definitely wanted us to identify with him as a father figure. Which was why they made a point of him saying during the pilot that he didn't like kids, and wanted his first officer to deal with them. Very fatherly, to be sure. Who tagged this thread with "brainwashing?" And why? Because I don't think having a veteran officer as the commander of a large vessel qualifies as brainwashing. __________________ I don't say 'sabotage.' You say 'sabotage.' I say 'sabataage." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlOTRxt-dIw

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