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Old October 4 2010, 09:03 AM   #16
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Re: Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter produced by Tim Burton in the work

Personally I think Lincoln should avoid theaters...
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Old October 4 2010, 09:44 AM   #17
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Re: Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter produced by Tim Burton in the work

I wonder if Rex Hamilton is still alive.
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Old October 4 2010, 10:17 AM   #18
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Re: Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter produced by Tim Burton in the work

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Lincoln would probably find this movie amusing. Or confusing. Probably both.
I very much doubt it. I think he would have been saddened by it.


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However could the supposed evil of vampires ever compare to the evil of the slaveholders?
Nice try, but that's changing the subject. Thing is, while Lincoln hated slavery, he had no bloodlust whatsoever for slaveholders themselves:
Abraham Lincoln wrote:
If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union.

It's not the metaphorical condemnation of slavery that I have a problem with. It's turning Lincoln, even an alternate-universe fantasy version thereof, into a blood-soaked killer. As I said, if the creators had any decency they'd make a surrogate character. Failing that, I'm going to call them out on their sleaze.
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Old October 4 2010, 01:58 PM   #19
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This particular project does not conform to my own personal standards of decency and respect as I have no sense of humor. Therefore, this film (which is obviously done for fun) is automatically a bad idea since my views are the only ones that matter objectively.

Also, I can commune with the dead and know for a fact that Mr. Lincoln would be shocked and appalled by this instead of (rightfully) laughing. Why, its worse than the time he was forced to fight Gengis Khan with Captain Kirk!
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Old October 4 2010, 03:14 PM   #20
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Re: Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter produced by Tim Burton in the work

I suggest you read the book Gaith before making blanket judgments about the project like you seem to have. Lincoln was President of the United States during the Civil War...he had blood on his hands. You are painting him out to be some kind of patron saint. The author of the book is in the process of adapting it into script form right now.
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Old October 4 2010, 06:07 PM   #21
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Well, I have a sense of humor and I can tell you this isn't funny, except in a laugh at people falling or laugh at how suprised they are when you call them names for no reason kind of way. Trying to pretend vampires are so evil you have to run around killing them while giving slavery a pass is just plain stupid. Slavery is as close to real vampirism as life gets. The book is a lot like True Blood, it doesn't realize that playing with the metaphor (vampirism) when the real thing (the genuine evil of slavery) is in the story substitutes a feebler image for a more powerful one. It is anti-art. (In True Blood, vampirism is the metaphor for homosexuality but the real thing is the gay characters.)

The author by the way tries to finesse the problem by turning the slavers into vampire protectors/employers/allies/etc. (I didn't read enough of that garbage to get the fine details, sue me.)

Vampires are not actually people, so that disposes of the objection the movie would turn Lincoln into a blood-soaked killer.

The idea that Lincoln really is some sort of blood-soaked killer is ludicrous. All we need is stuff about tyranny and violation of civil rights and we've got full-blown apologetics for slavery. Lincoln didn't start the Civil War.
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Old October 4 2010, 06:52 PM   #22
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I'd do it as a History Channel-style docu-drama. Show scenes of Lincoln killing vampires, but also have experts discussing it.
Heh. Or even do it in the style of Ken Burns' The Civil War, complete with the same music and narrator.
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Old October 4 2010, 07:07 PM   #23
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Read the book.
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Old October 4 2010, 07:28 PM   #24
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Read the book.
This. The indignant soccor mom levels of butthurt I keep hearing is like nails on a chalkboard to me. Its just a fucking book, people.
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Old October 4 2010, 09:05 PM   #25
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I've had the book in hand, and read in it. Not the whole thing, no, because my taste is pretty unsophisticated but it's not that lame. The book is stupid, but you still can't laugh at it. This isn't baseball, it doesn't get three strikes.
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Old October 5 2010, 12:06 AM   #26
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I'd do it as a History Channel-style docu-drama. Show scenes of Lincoln killing vampires, but also have experts discussing it.
Heh. Or even do it in the style of Ken Burns' The Civil War, complete with the same music and narrator.
That would be epic.
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Old October 5 2010, 12:09 AM   #27
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this film (which is obviously done for fun)
I don't give a rat's ass if you do or don't find it fun. But I don't really have to be the first to point out to you that entertainment value and artistic decency are two different measures, do I?


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Lincoln was President of the United States during the Civil War...he had blood on his hands.
And to the extent that that's true, he agonized over it, and repeatedly begged for peace so long as the South ceased to challenge the legitimacy of federal sovereignty. Argue against that if you like, but I find it ironic that in a discussion of "Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter", I'm the one being accused of distorting/simplifying history.


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You are painting him out to be some kind of patron saint.
No, I'm calling for fair depictions of him, no more, no less.

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Read the book.
I'm not going to read your juvenile crap. This is a discussion forum, so present your own case in your own words.
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Old October 5 2010, 12:29 AM   #28
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I don't give a rat's ass if you do or don't find it fun. But I don't really have to be the first to point out to you that entertainment value and artistic decency are two different measures, do I?
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!! A BOOK WILL BE MADE INTO A FILM THAT I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK IS VERY NICE! THEREFORE, IT'S OBJECTIVELY BAD! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!


Besides, there is no such thing as artistic decency. An artist can create whatever he likes or discuss anything he likes. Anyone wants to get all butthurt and offended? They can go fuck themselves, IMO. They don't have to watch/read. /discussion.

I'm not going to read your juvenile crap. This is a discussion forum, so present your own case in your own words.
You haven't offered a worthwhile reason that this is a bad idea beyond, "I DUN LEIK IT!" So, I don't think you have a leg to stand on as far as discussion of this topic goes.
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Old October 5 2010, 01:05 AM   #29
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Re: Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter produced by Tim Burton in the work

I don't have a case to present since I'm in the middle of reading the book and finding out for myself how I feel about this project. I'm DISCUSSING your blanket reaction to something that for some reason you dislike without finding out about it for yourself. Here's the wiki summary for the book

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham...Vampire_Hunter
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Old October 5 2010, 03:27 AM   #30
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Sounds like it could be fun, in a blackly comic, irreverent sort of way. I just hope it doesn't get in the way of Burton's plans to remake DARK SHADOWS. That's the movie I really want him to wait.

Last I heard, the author of the Abe Lincoln book was working on the script for the DARK SHADOWS reboot . . . .
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