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View Poll Results: Pick a destiny for Jonathan Archer
President of the Federation 31 56.36%
Admiral, academy instructor 20 36.36%
I don't like either 4 7.27%
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Old September 16 2010, 08:56 PM   #31
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Re: The fate of Jonathan Archer

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Isn't it entirely possible that Admiral Archer is President Archer's son?
I don't think so .... based on this response from Bob Orci, one of the writers of Star Trek XI, to a question asked of him.

BobOrci: Yes, it is. Admiral Archer is a reference to the Archer we all know and love, and yes he would be over 100, which is a likely life expectancy in a futuristic space faring race of humans (as depicted by McCoy’s (Deforest Kelley) in THE NEXT GENERATION.
http://trekmovie.com/2009/05/22/orci...kmovie-fan-qa/
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Old September 16 2010, 08:58 PM   #32
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I think Archer should retire to a farm in Iowa(?) and they can just have that ship named after him.
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Old September 16 2010, 09:39 PM   #33
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Apparently the alternate timeline saved Archer's life, as according to that very same bio screen in IAMD, the prime timeline has Archer dying in 2245 - many years before ST XI took place (and also probably before nuScotty had that run-in with him).
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Old September 16 2010, 11:09 PM   #34
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Why can't he be both? He rises to the rank of admiral, retires, gets elected president as a civilian, and once his term is up maybe he re-enters starfleet and his old rank is retained. This scenario isn't impossible because even today people can leave the service and re-enlist later on if they choose. He probably isn't active on a ship anymore, so maybe he supervises at the academy. Kirk mentioned liking his dog so this proves he meets with cadets.


I think it was clearly intended for "admiral Archer" to be the same one from Enterprise and not a descendent. The reference doesn't make sense otherwise as it was clearly an easter egg. His age isn't a problem with the supposed advances in medical tech, and as was mentioned we saw McCoy live to see 1701-D.
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Old September 16 2010, 11:24 PM   #35
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We don't need a split alternate timeline for this. He easily could have been President and still referred to as Admiral Archer.

I remember my high school history teacher telling us about what a big deal it was when General Eisenhower visited his hometown when he was a kid. For him, the dominant image of Eisenhower was as Supreme Allied Commander, even though he did a lot after that.

Probably the same thing with Archer.

And it's not like he was formally introduced by the head of the protocol committee. It was an offhand remark by Scotty.

I personally didn't interpret it as the same Archer from ENT--just a reference that fans of the show would get.
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Old September 17 2010, 03:47 AM   #36
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It doesn't have to be the same Archer. I don't care what the intent was. It was probably Jonathan's son or grandson.

And even if not, it was only Scotty who called him Admiral. Maybe Scotty just got it wrong? Meaning, he didn't know the proper form of address?
The writers of STXI actually indicated it was the same one ... and the same Porthos. (Not sure how that's possible!) In fact, they sounded grouchy they'd gotten so many questions about it.
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Old September 17 2010, 04:15 AM   #37
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I am personally pleased that the writers have confirmed that it actually was our Archer and his Porthos. That is what I took the lines spoken by Scott and Kirk to mean ever since my first viewing of the movie. The reference was supposed to be a tribute/continuity nod to the Enterprise series and I'm glad they did it. The reference doesn't make sense if it is not the Archer and the beagle. I guess great medical tech exists for increasing the longevity of your pets, as well as yourself, in the future.
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Old September 17 2010, 04:25 AM   #38
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The thing that most people forget is that McCoy was surprised to still be alive after 137 years, so people naturally assumed that it was normal for Humans to live that long. I'm sure Human lifespans probably have increased to the point where living past 100 or even 110 is fairly common, but Humans reaching the point of McCoy's age may be extremely rare, IMO.
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Old September 17 2010, 05:47 AM   #39
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As the author of the Archer bio, I can confirm that -- at least in the prime timeline -- Archer clung to life just long enough to personally witness the launch of the NCC-1701 in 2245, and died peacefully the next day. In the alternate timeline, he held on an extra thirteen years in order to see the maiden flight of the Enterprise-JJ in 2258 -- after which he promptly dropped dead.
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Old September 17 2010, 12:20 PM   #40
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As the author of the Archer bio, I can confirm that -- at least in the prime timeline -- Archer clung to life just long enough to personally witness the launch of the NCC-1701 in 2245, and died peacefully the next day. In the alternate timeline, he held on an extra thirteen years in order to see the maiden flight of the Enterprise-JJ in 2258 -- after which he promptly dropped dead.
But... He was only 146!

Can't we just assume that sometime prior to 2258 he got stuck in a temporal causality loop like Captain Morgan Bateson in "Cause and effect" and remained young while the universe around him aged?
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Old September 17 2010, 01:02 PM   #41
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As the author of the Archer bio, I can confirm that -- at least in the prime timeline -- Archer clung to life just long enough to personally witness the launch of the NCC-1701 in 2245, and died peacefully the next day.
I really loved the idea of Archer being there to see the launch of Enterprise NCC-1701. It's a nice homagé to Bones in TNG "Farpoint". Enterprise really ought to have ended on that note, even if it meant Scott Bakula would have had to spend 5 hours in make-up to play a 146 year old.

In the alternate timeline, he held on an extra thirteen years in order to see the maiden flight of the Enterprise-JJ in 2258 -- after which he promptly dropped dead.
The possibility occurs to me that the "Prized Beagle" incident occurred as far back as 2245, just after Montgomery Scott graduated from the academy. Archer lives long enough to banish the Federation's finest transporter specialist to some random world in the starcharts... and then *ahem* accidentally mislabels it Delta Vega!

Makes me happy to imagine all those unlikely coincidences happening at once anyhow...
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Old September 17 2010, 02:51 PM   #42
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MikeSussman wrote: View Post
As the author of the Archer bio, I can confirm that -- at least in the prime timeline -- Archer clung to life just long enough to personally witness the launch of the NCC-1701 in 2245, and died peacefully the next day. In the alternate timeline, he held on an extra thirteen years in order to see the maiden flight of the Enterprise-JJ in 2258 -- after which he promptly dropped dead.
You mean Alternate Archer's last memory is of Vulcan imploding? Ouch.

Also: Mike Sussman respoded to one of my threads!
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Old September 17 2010, 05:11 PM   #43
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I really loved the idea of Archer being there to see the launch of Enterprise NCC-1701. It's a nice homagé to Bones in TNG "Farpoint". Enterprise really ought to have ended on that note, even if it meant Scott Bakula would have had to spend 5 hours in make-up to play a 146 year old.
That's exactly how the series should have ended.

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Old September 17 2010, 06:39 PM   #44
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I really loved the idea of Archer being there to see the launch of Enterprise NCC-1701. It's a nice homagé to Bones in TNG "Farpoint". Enterprise really ought to have ended on that note, even if it meant Scott Bakula would have had to spend 5 hours in make-up to play a 146 year old.
That's exactly how the series should have ended.
Maybe we could have ended the late movie at that point too.
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Old September 17 2010, 08:00 PM   #45
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Can't we just assume that sometime prior to 2258 he got stuck in a temporal causality loop like Captain Morgan Bateson in "Cause and effect" and remained young while the universe around him aged?
If Kirk had to die on some misbegotten planet in the middle of nowhere, then, no, Archer does not get to remain young while the universe moves on!
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