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Old September 14 2010, 06:34 AM   #16
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Re: Starfleet's Creation.

What I learned from this clip is that IBM 's money lobby stopped flying car development to sell more software. That is wrong, plain and simply wrong.
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Old September 15 2010, 04:12 AM   #17
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Re: Starfleet's Creation.

Spam. He made the same post somewhere else where it didn't make any sense.
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Old September 16 2010, 09:08 PM   #18
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Re: Starfleet's Creation.

I always figured the United Earth Space Probe Agency was an executive department with its own Minister that answered to the United Earth Prime Minister, and that the United Earth Starfleet was a branch of UESPA, in the same way that the United States Navy is part of the U.S. Department of the Navy, which has its own Secretary.
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Old September 16 2010, 11:18 PM   #19
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Re: Starfleet's Creation.

Just to add, the MACOs were not a part of 2150's starfleet, they were a separate service, I'm guessing United Earth Military or something like that. Perhaps they are a precursor to Starfleet Marines, which is a part of Starfleet proper. So over the course of a century or two several organizations (UESPA, MACO and UEM, starfleet with a little "s") began coalescing into a single organization called Starfleet.
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Old September 17 2010, 12:49 AM   #20
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Re: Starfleet's Creation.

In the mid 22nd century and later, the United Earth Space Probe Agency might have been a common government bureaucratic subdivision within the United Earth government.
So you would have a United Earth (Space Probe) Agency, just like you would a
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Archer's Starfleet would have been part of the UESPA, the MACO part of the UEDA, even after the founding of the Federation the UE and the UESPA would have continued to exist.

If United Earth initially started in the 21st century as an international organization, not a government (maybe a opposition - counterpart to the Organization of the United Nations) then it could have been in existence long prior to the 2150 date usually given for the UE becoming a state. This would have allowed it to be in a position to launch warp driven probe immediately after Cochrane's first flight in 2063.


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Old September 17 2010, 02:53 AM   #21
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Re: Starfleet's Creation.

For whatever it's worth, the novel Articles of the Federation by Keith R.A. DeCandido establishes that United Earth was created in 2130 with the signing of the Traité d'Unification at the Place de la Concorde in Paris.
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