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Old September 7 2010, 01:35 AM   #31
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How about Alicia Witt for Beverley? She's 35, only three years younger than Gates was at the start of the original TNG and I've seen her play a professional on Law and Order.
Sorry, but she's way too skinny. Not Callista Flockhart skinny, but skinny enough to turn me off.

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Beverly Crusher: Cristina Hendricks
Don't get me wrong. A few years ago I would have agreed with you entirely when I was riding her post-Firefly wave starting with Kevin Hill. That was her near-equal peak then, but this is now: I underlined Excel in my Post #12 for a reason.

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Old September 7 2010, 01:54 AM   #32
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Excellent point, there's only so many actual stories to tell, or so the story goes...but I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing.
It's the same way with musical theater as I recently found out while writing songs for a BMI workshop (which I didn't get into) - almost all musical theater is based on an existing story.
But there is a difference between a retelling of one of the stories humanity has always gathered 'round to hear, and a remake of one of those retellings.
Again, most of Shakespeare's plays were remakes -- not just original tellings of classic themes and structures, but actual retellings of existing stories with (roughly) the same titles, plots, and characters, or fictionalizations (often grossly so) of real historical events. Not to mention all the Greek playwrights whose plays were retellings of existing myths. Sophocles didn't invent the characters of Oedipus, Jocasta, Antigone, and so on; he retold the existing myths about them in a new form. So it's a spurious distinction. Remakes, retellings, they're all part of the same continuum, the same human creative instinct to keep old stories alive.
And yet it still doesn't seem a spurious disctinction to me regardless. Star Trek was sold as a western in space, its characters based on existing ideas, but it was an original take. Star Trek 2009 is a hyperactive interpretation of those characters.
No, it isn't a spurious distinction at all from the point of view of the "genii", of generative creative power. Works that have that spark of originality have tapped into it, ones that ride on their coat-tails can be entertaining, but simply don't have "it". This gets into the subjective deep end, but can also be seen plainly with comparing something like A New Hope to The Phantom Menace. It's what was referred to when the question was asked all those years ago, "can Gene Roddenberry catch lightning in a bottle a second time?"
What is spurious is implying that all remakes are lacking that spark. If everything is essentially a remake, then the spark of genius is another factor altogether.
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Old September 7 2010, 04:34 PM   #33
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And yet it still doesn't seem a spurious disctinction to me regardless. Star Trek was sold as a western in space, its characters based on existing ideas, but it was an original take. Star Trek 2009 is a hyperactive interpretation of those characters.
Yes, both distinct approaches exist. The spurious distinction is claiming that one is right and the other is wrong. Retelling stories has always, always been part of human creativity and it always will be. In the grand sweep of history, going back to the first hunter-gatherers who told tales around the campfire, the concept that a story needs to have original character names and events in it in order to be valid is merely a recent fad. It's a notion mere centuries old, a flash in the pan. It's unreasonable to think that there will ever be a time when humans stop retelling stories that have been told before.


No, it isn't a spurious distinction at all from the point of view of the "genii", of generative creative power. Works that have that spark of originality have tapped into it, ones that ride on their coat-tails can be entertaining, but simply don't have "it".
That is true, but it is falsely superficial to think that the only measure of originality is whether the title and the names of the characters and the specifics of the plot are new. Originality is in the telling. Eragon is nominally a new story with new characters, but at its core it's a blatant rehash of Star Wars, so it has no originality at all. Whereas Ron Moore's Battlestar Galactica reused the title, character names, and premise of Glen Larson's 1978 series, but found a wildly original way of retelling the story.


What is spurious is implying that all remakes are lacking that spark. If everything is essentially a remake, then the spark of genius is another factor altogether.
Isn't that exactly my point?
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Old September 7 2010, 04:46 PM   #34
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The RedLetter review of ST'09 had some good insights into this and the stunning statistic that 90%+ of the last few years' films have all been reboots. Wow.
He didn't make that up or anything!
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Old September 7 2010, 06:26 PM   #35
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The majority of movies have always been remakes, sequels, or adaptations. Back in the days of silent movies and early talkies, most films were adaptations of novels or plays, and the same films got remade over and over quite frequently (the Judy Garland Wizard of Oz was something like the seventh screen version of that tale). If you look at the American Film Institute's list of the hundred greatest American movies, focusing just on the top ten, four (The Godfather, Gone With the Wind, The Wizard of Oz, The Graduate) are adaptations of novels, one (Casablanca) is an adaptation of a play, one (Schindler's List) is based on a novel based on a true story, one (Lawrence of Arabia) is based on a real person's life, one (Citizen Kane) is a fictionalized version of a real person's life, one (On the Waterfront) is based on a series of nonfiction newspaper articles, and one (Singin' in the Rain) is an original story, but one that was constructed around a pre-selected set of songs. So every one of those great classic films is a derivative work in some way. And there are plenty more on the Top 100 list.

People are always reacting to the abundance of adaptations, remakes, and sequels in Hollywood as if it were some shocking departure from the way it used to be, but the fact is that it's always been that way, and people have always reacted as though it were something shocking and new. I know I've been reading articles complaining about the "recent" Hollywood trend of constant remakes and sequels for at least the past quarter-century, and I'm certain you could find equivalent complaints in articles going back to the '40s or '30s, if not sooner.


So anyway, any more casting suggestions for TNG? Anyone have any actual French actors in mind for Picard, say? Or someone Russian to play Tasha Yar? Or would you rather bring back to the original idea of Macha Hernandez as the security chief?
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Old September 7 2010, 10:14 PM   #36
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It would be hard to do better than Timothy Dalton for Picard.
Except Jason Isaacs! I forgot about him.

If they decided to go with a younger, Frencher Picard... Vincent Cassel would be great.
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Old September 8 2010, 03:17 AM   #37
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Michael Emerson as Q! I kind of have Lost on the brain, but he would be positively perfect.
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Old September 8 2010, 03:46 AM   #38
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Patricia Tallman for Beverly! Perfect!
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Old September 8 2010, 05:10 AM   #39
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Tallman is too old to play a younger Dr. Crusher.
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Old September 8 2010, 02:11 PM   #40
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In fact, Patricia Tallman already has played Dr. Crusher many times, in a sense; she often served as the stunt double for Gates McFadden in the series and Generations (as well as doubling for Nana Visitor on DS9 and playing various other stunt roles). Which means that, yes, she's definitely too old (currently 53) to play the role in a relaunch/reboot/remake/rebar/rebus/rewhatever.
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Old September 8 2010, 04:33 PM   #41
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How about Gillian Anderson for Dr. Crusher? It may be type casting, but I think she would do a good job of making Dr. Crusher, a strong character with a lot of depth.
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Old September 8 2010, 06:22 PM   #42
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Fourteen posts and no one said Wesley Snipes for Geordi LaForge? C'mon now!
He isn't an unknown.
Pfft, neither are Timothy Dalton, Jason Isaacs, Christina Hendricks, Alicia Witt, or any other still-successful actors in this thread
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Old September 8 2010, 09:29 PM   #43
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How about Gillian Anderson for Dr. Crusher? It may be type casting, but I think she would do a good job of making Dr. Crusher, a strong character with a lot of depth.
I was waiting for someone to vouch for Gillian Anderson despite her not being gorgeous enough, but I would think she's better off cast as Troi and possibly wearing a brunette wig.

Her voice reminds me of Diana Muldaur's voice a bit too much.

Speaking of whom, I'd like to see both Crusher and Pulaski in a reboot. Have Pulaski promoted at the end of the first movie and not dumped hastily like she was at the end of S2. That episode where Crusher and a guest doctor operate on Worf could serve as a template for conflict between the two in the movie.
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So anyway, any more casting suggestions for TNG? Anyone have any actual French actors in mind for Picard, say? Or someone Russian to play Tasha Yar? Or would you rather bring back to the original idea of Macha Hernandez as the security chief?
Now that you mention it, I'd love to see Oksana Akinshina ("Lilya 4-Ever") as Tasha.

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How about Gillian Anderson for Dr. Crusher? It may be type casting, but I think she would do a good job of making Dr. Crusher, a strong character with a lot of depth.
I think that's a great idea.
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Old September 8 2010, 10:07 PM   #45
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Worth pointing out that Gillian Anderson is 42 now... could work for Crusher, who was supposed to be 39 at the start of TNG, but I don't see it working for Troi.
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