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Old September 5 2010, 10:51 PM   #31
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Re: How far should I go with the Star Wars novels?

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I must admit this has already been much more positive than I thought. I figured I'd get nothing but hate for the post NJO books. I must admit, I have been reading about the events of the LoTF and FotJ books on wookiepedia, and they do sound pretty interesting.

What about the Bane books, and Crosscurrent?
I found the first Bane book okay-- it didn't live up to the potential set up by Jedi vs. Sith-- and the second one hugely tedious. I didn't bother with the third.

Crosscurrent was good, solid Star Wars-y fun. Who cares if it stars characters you never heard of before? So did a movie called Star Wars back in 1977.
Jedi v. Sith turned me off at first. I thought the artwork was too cartoony. Plus I read it after reading the first Bane book. However I eventually came to enjoy it. I still think the Bane book was better because it went deeper in exploring Bane's character in addition to all of the principals involved in the Battle of Rusaan (sp). And it gave the child soldiers better names than Tomcat and Rain.

As I stated before, I enjoyed the whole series. I recommend you checking out three if you're a completist. It had some good moments and a couple interesting twists.

Definitely agree on Crosscurrent. It was a fun read.
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Old September 6 2010, 04:05 AM   #32
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Children of the Jedi was absolutely horrid. The only one worse than that is Planet of the Twilight or whatever it was called. Those are actually my all time least favorite SW books.
Huh. They must be bad. I read both when they were new, and remember absolutely nothing about either of them. They're still on my book shelf, maybe I'll re read them one day.

Right now of course, I'm looking forward to the end of the month when the conclusion of the Bane trilogy comes out. I enjoyed the first two.
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Old September 6 2010, 04:24 AM   #33
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Jedi v. Sith turned me off at first. I thought the artwork was too cartoony. Plus I read it after reading the first Bane book. However I eventually came to enjoy it. I still think the Bane book was better because it went deeper in exploring Bane's character in addition to all of the principals involved in the Battle of Rusaan (sp). And it gave the child soldiers better names than Tomcat and Rain.
I just thought Bane was way more of a badass in the comic. He seemed like someone who'd been around, and someone you wouldn't cross. The novels turned him into a relative newcomer, and something less of an unstoppable force. (I hate those orbalisk things with a fiery passion.) I especially hate how he looks on the novel covers-- like some kinda overweight clown with bad makeup!
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Old September 6 2010, 04:29 AM   #34
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And it gave the child soldiers better names than Tomcat and Rain.
The true names of the kids had already appeared in Jedi vs. Sith; they were not created by the Bane books, and I don't think Bug's real name even appeared in the Bane books.

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I liked "Death Troopers" and that starred nobody
I thought I heard Han and Chewie were in it.
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Old September 6 2010, 04:29 AM   #35
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Right now of course, I'm looking forward to the end of the month when the conclusion of the Bane trilogy comes out. I enjoyed the first two.
Are you waiting for the paperback? The third book has been out for a year now.
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Old September 6 2010, 04:41 AM   #36
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I keep hearing bad things about Coruscant Nights.
It had pros and cons. The pros include emphasis on Vader's strength in the Force, a subplot in the first book which acted as a kind of SOTE prequel, Force battles in the third book, Vader's confrontations with certain characters, and some other good ideas here and there.

The cons, however, include the worst clusterfuck of errors I've ever seen in this franchise, the worst part being the fact that the editors were completely asleep at the wheel and failed to catch any of the mistakes, preferring instead to go on the OS and crow about how much fun it was to read the book before everyone else.
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Old September 6 2010, 08:46 AM   #37
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I think my least favorite thing about the Post-ROTJ novels is how pacifist and do-nothing all the Jedi are. Obviously this decision was made way before the Prequels came out and now they're stuck with it. But the Prequels showed the Jedi to be war generals while the NJO Jedi had a long tiresome debate about whether they should be fighting an extragalactic invasion because it might turn them to the dark side

Much as I love Luke in the Post-ROTJ novels, his reluctance to take action is really annoying.
As do I. Sometimes I read the books and think "Stop talking and go out and kick some ass!". Luke was never really reluctant to fight in the movies. I'm not sure why they make him less prone to kick butt in the novels.
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Old September 6 2010, 01:24 PM   #38
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As I wrote before, Luke does take action in every novel series, but because they've written him into a corner by making him so powerful they have to be selective about when, where, and how to use him. Perhaps in a way they wouldn't with a less powerful Jedi like Jaina Solo, even though they underuse her despite her title as "Sword of the Jedi".


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About the Bane books....my bad about the kids' names. I didn't remember that they used them first in Jedi v. Sith. I do think however that Bane was pretty unstoppable in the second Bane novel, due to the (hated) obelisks, but it is true that he was a newcomer in the first book and was just learning his powers and in the third book he was starting to slip a little, though he remained extremely powerful. So, yeah, the unstoppable force Bane is the one portrayed in the second book. Though I enjoyed the character's progression in all three books. I also liked Darth Zannah and wouldn't mind reading of her adventures.

Of course the problem with the pre-Sidious era Sith is that the writers are always going to have to find a way to keep their existence secret so the stories might run the risk of ending the same way, with the Sith tying up loose ends and remaining in the shadows. The 'heroes' won't be able to get the win. But since Zannah played such a significant role in the Bane books I wouldn't mind seeing her at least. Other than that, there's a Darth Plagueis book supposedly coming out. The Sith in between I can do without, though I am curious about Darth Vectivus (sp), who was introduced in Betrayal, the first LOTF novel.
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Old September 6 2010, 03:39 PM   #39
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I keep hearing bad things about Coruscant Nights.
It had pros and cons. The pros include emphasis on Vader's strength in the Force, a subplot in the first book which acted as a kind of SOTE prequel, Force battles in the third book, Vader's confrontations with certain characters, and some other good ideas here and there.

The cons, however, include the worst clusterfuck of errors I've ever seen in this franchise, the worst part being the fact that the editors were completely asleep at the wheel and failed to catch any of the mistakes, preferring instead to go on the OS and crow about how much fun it was to read the book before everyone else.
My problem is mostly that the characters are the worst detectives in all existence. The books were billed as mysteries, yet they spend most of their time sitting around hoping that clues show up. I like the characters, especially Den Dhur and I-5YQ, but Jax is a bit flat and the female characters are pointless. The third one abandons all pretense of the mystery setup, though, and is all the better for it-- I liked it a lot. Wookieepedia tells me there's a fourth in the works; I'd still buy it.

Has anyone picked up any of the "new" Clone Wars novels by the Two Karens? I haven't got round to it yet.
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Old September 6 2010, 04:28 PM   #40
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Right now of course, I'm looking forward to the end of the month when the conclusion of the Bane trilogy comes out. I enjoyed the first two.
Are you waiting for the paperback? The third book has been out for a year now.
Yes I am, same as I did for the first two.

Cheaper that way, you know?
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Old September 7 2010, 04:40 AM   #41
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I'd been planning on read the books entirely in chronological order, from Phantom Menace through FotJ, but now I've decided to just read whichever ones I felt like reading. So I was wondering, should I read Rogue Planet after The Phantom Menace, or before NJO? What about Outbound Flight and Survivor's Quest, should I read them together or read SQ in it's place in the timeline?
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Old September 7 2010, 05:17 AM   #42
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I think it would be better to read them all in chronological order, which is how I listed them in this post. That's just my opinion, though.
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Old September 7 2010, 05:54 AM   #43
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I agree with Skywalker. You certainly don't have to read everything but go in chronological order for what you do read. To that end, Rogue Planet definitely takes place after The Phantom Menace. I strongly disliked the novel, but it is unfortunately important to The New Jedi Order. I haven't read either Outbound Flight or Survivor's Quest, but again I'd recommend chronological order. SQ takes place so far along the post-ROTJ timeline that it really should be read in its correct place for a proper understanding of where the characters are in their lives. I would have to assume jumping from OF straight to SQ would be a bit jarring if you don't have prior experience with events that take place in the intervening years.
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Old September 7 2010, 06:13 AM   #44
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Ok, I'll stick to chronological order then.
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Old September 7 2010, 06:35 AM   #45
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If you're going to include the movie novelizations, I'd also recommend the following:

Cloak of Deception
by James Luceno (before TPM)
Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter by Michael Reaves (between CoD and TPM)
The Phantom Menace by Terry Brooks
The Approaching Storm by Alan Dean Foster (between Outbound Flight and AOTC)
Attack of the Clones by R. A. Salvatore
Labyrinth of Evil by James Luceno (after Shatterpoint, leads directly into ROTS)
Revenge of the Sith by Matthew Stover
Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader by James Luceno (though I never finished this one)

I also forgot to include The Han Solo Trilogy (The Paradise Snare, The Hutt Gambit, Rebel Dawn) by A. C. Crispin, which I thought was pretty good. After that, you can go ahead with the ANH novelization, and then continue on from there.
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