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View Poll Results: Does Superman Need A Make-Over?
No. The Traditional Look Is Fine. 33 75.00%
Yes...Like Superman Returns. 7 15.91%
Yes...Like Superman X. 1 2.27%
Yes...Like Clark's Outfit Smallville S9. 0 0%
Yes...Something Totally Different Though. 4 9.09%
Meh...Whatever. 4 9.09%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 44. You may not vote on this poll

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Old August 20 2010, 03:46 PM   #61
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Re: Does Superman Need A Make-Over?

^ AFAIK, that's exactly what JMS' current Superman arc is doing now, called "Grounded". Superman literally is walking across the entire country, getting in touch with the people.
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Old August 20 2010, 05:00 PM   #62
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I think they should make a Superman film based on "Superdickery"

That would be awesome!!!!

Make into a dark comedy.
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Old August 20 2010, 05:02 PM   #63
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I would like a superman film that explores him as he very slowly ages compared to the rest of Humanity, he has to watch Lois die of old age, he watches Humanity go extinct despite his best efforts, he saves the planet from the sun getting bigger and expanding, and he is left in his old age on a cold dark earth circling a cold dead sun.
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Old August 20 2010, 05:16 PM   #64
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I would like a superman film that explores him as he very slowly ages compared to the rest of Humanity, he has to watch Lois die of old age, he watches Humanity go extinct despite his best efforts, he saves the planet from the sun getting bigger and expanding, and he is left in his old age on a cold dark earth circling a cold dead sun.
Neat idea, but I don't think even Superman could live that long. Maybe five hundred years, tops.
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Old August 20 2010, 05:29 PM   #65
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I definitely like the idea of following him over the course of an entire lifetime, and seeing how his relationships would evolve, and all the new kinds of enemies he'd have to deal with in 200 years.

Plus it would be a nice excuse to break away from the Lois/Lex/Daily Planet formula and see him in a different kind of world.
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Old August 20 2010, 06:06 PM   #66
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I would like a superman film that explores him as he very slowly ages compared to the rest of Humanity,
One thing that's been consistent about Superman is that he ages at the same rate as the rest of us. If you want another Highlander movie, make that, but don't shoehorn Superman into it.
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Old August 20 2010, 06:28 PM   #67
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Drat.. i thought it was a general make-over and not only for the movies.

I'm not a big DC follower.. i know about the majors and the biggest events but not much in detail as i'm a Marvel man (or used to be.. different story).

Personally, since i aquired my own taste somewhere in my 20s, i believe that the Superman costume is outdated.. big time. Yes.. it is iconic but it is a relic from the 40s where Superheroes aparently wore their underwear over their suits and had clashing colors to match.

For me Superman's costume didn't age that well as opposed to Batman's for example. The whole 40s color composition of the costume is a big no today when new heroes are developed but since Superman is one big icon any change is near suicide as DC learned in the 90s with "energy" Superman and his costume (personally i found it bold and refreshingly new.. liked it) so it will be here to stay.

However i'd really like an updated look akin to Wonder Woman's make-over. Keep the theme and basic iconography but modernize it.
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Old August 20 2010, 07:59 PM   #68
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And really, any REAL updating of the Superman mythos must dump the Daily Planet anyway. Newspapers were information hubs in those days, with access to information at a faster rate than the average joe. Thus when a crisis, crime or disaster broke out, he could quickly find out and respond. That was the ENTIRE reason for becoming a newspaper man.
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Supes doesn't need a makeover. He needs a filmmaker who is willing to make a movie about who he is: a naive and sincere alien immigrant who fights for Truth, Justice and the American Way.
I've always found this version of Superman boring. Gimme 1938-39 Superman anyday. He wasn't naive, and he fought for the common man. He was an outlaw ass kicker taking on corporate abuses, corruption and whatever the hell else pissed him off, with the cops trying to arrest him.

Somewhere along the way, he became a boring boyscout working to maintain the status quo. But that's not how he started. Someone once said that 1938-39 Superman was the most subversive mainstream super hero, even moreso than Batman.....I agree.
Why can't he be an "outlaw ass kicker" and still be the big boy scout?

I haven't seen Superman IV, but I do like the idea of Supes throwing all nukes into space, without concern for governmental complaints. Heck, I'd love to see a Supes rid Iran and North Korea of its nukes, find bin Laden and deposit him cuffed in Central Park, round up and destroy Hamas' weapons, protect the genocide victims in Darfur and dismantle any uninhabited, in-construction Jewish settlements on Palestinian land.

That'd all be fodder for Act One, of course, as he'd need a worthy adversary as some point, but it could be a hell of a starting-off point.
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Old August 20 2010, 08:04 PM   #69
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Old August 20 2010, 09:06 PM   #70
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... Palestinian land.
There is, and never has been, any such thing.
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Old August 20 2010, 09:27 PM   #71
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... Palestinian land.
There is, and never has been, any such thing.

I think the majority of us don't want batshit I/P mentalism taking over this thread - if you guys want to talk about that, start a thread down in TNZ.
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Old August 20 2010, 09:45 PM   #72
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I've always found this version of Superman boring. Gimme 1938-39 Superman anyday. He wasn't naive, and he fought for the common man. He was an outlaw ass kicker taking on corporate abuses, corruption and whatever the hell else pissed him off, with the cops trying to arrest him.

Somewhere along the way, he became a boring boyscout working to maintain the status quo. But that's not how he started. Someone once said that 1938-39 Superman was the most subversive mainstream super hero, even moreso than Batman.....I agree.
Why can't he be an "outlaw ass kicker" and still be the big boy scout?
That to me is why the George Reeves Superman was so ideal. He was tough as hell and had no problem roughing up the bad guys (often appearing annoyed or pissed off while doing it), but yet never lost that sense of underlying nobility and goodness.

I know some of the comics since then have tried to duplicate that, but somehow it just doesn't come across as well as it did with Reeves.
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Old August 20 2010, 09:48 PM   #73
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I would like a superman film that explores him as he very slowly ages compared to the rest of Humanity, he has to watch Lois die of old age, he watches Humanity go extinct despite his best efforts, he saves the planet from the sun getting bigger and expanding, and he is left in his old age on a cold dark earth circling a cold dead sun.
I believe there was a pitch some years ago for a trilogy of movies beginning with the prophecy on Krypton and ending with Superman's death at the end of the universe.
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Old August 20 2010, 11:01 PM   #74
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... Palestinian land.
There is, and never has been, any such thing.

I think the majority of us don't want batshit I/P mentalism taking over this thread - if you guys want to talk about that, start a thread down in TNZ.
Very good - but isn't that the problem with a political, or even simply "extra-legal", Superman? Given the amount of power he has, can he really be anything other than the big blue boyscout - within the law - and still be a hero?

This harks back to my "Seduction of the Innocent" thread. When was the last time we saw and unabashed, decent "good guy" on the screen without it being done ironically? Do we really want all our heroes to be retreads of Wolverine?
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Old August 21 2010, 12:35 AM   #75
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Remember the last time they tried to give Superman a makeover in the comics? We got this...



Yeah, that was stupid. Although I have to say that look would work for another character -- I like the blue incaration.

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... Palestinian land.
There is, and never has been, any such thing.

I think the majority of us don't want batshit I/P mentalism taking over this thread - if you guys want to talk about that, start a thread down in TNZ.
What exactly is "batshit I/P mentalism"?

BTW, I voted "No."
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