Does Superman Need A Make-Over?

[Kirkman1987]

A beaker full of death wrote:

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^That's true. But some of his statements (in the original article) are troubling.

Agree to disagree I suppose.

I think that article made more out of Johnston's statements than was there. I'm not sure what's wrong with celebrating other nations in this film along with America (I assume the allies.) or with the USO idea. He will still wear a combat version of the costume later on, and the reluctance of him to perform in the show is more"I'm up here performing in a flag get-up whille these real Americans are fighting and dying" than any unpatriotic sentiment. I liken his USO feelings to a guy like John Wayne, who was always guilt ridden about never having served.

the article was an excuse to blast liberal hollywood and espouse some politics. From the author's rage, you would think Oliver Stone was making this movie.

[RandyS]

Temis the Vorta wrote:

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Supes doesn't need a makeover. He needs a filmmaker who is willing to make a movie about who he is: a naive and sincere alien immigrant who fights for Truth, Justice and the American Way.

I agree, but would argue that it's already been done. For me, Dick Donner's 1978 film was the definitive film Superman. Although, truth be told, I enjoyed both versions of Superman II also.

[FordSVT]

arch101 wrote:

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Nah. Superman Returns showed that the Richard Donner universe still holds up well with only minor updating. I DO think that making the costume resemble the 40s cartoon version was a brilliant idea. Get Mr. Routh back and let's get this show moving!

Superman doesn't need to be reinvented, at least not in the way Hollywood has a habit of reinventing things, ie changing them into something inferior and hardly recognizable. That last pic of Smallvilleman looks like Neo, it's ridiculous. Fine for TV, but I don't want to see "Superman" flying around in a black and silver leather suit with no cape.

I've got no problem with Routh as Superman, but I personally hope they go in a completely different, non-Donnerverse interpretation next time around. No kid, new Lois. I also like the idea of reinterpreting the Daily Planet as a media conglomerate with a heavy web-presence.

Let's pull some REAL villains out of the closet. I don't want an origin story, I want to see Superman use god-like powers to save the entire Earth from destruction at the hands of an enemy like Darkseid or Brainiac. He's Superman, he's one of the most powerful mortals in the DC universe, it's time to treat him like one.

And no more Lex Luthor! At least not for now.... place him in prison at the beginning of the film with a throwaway line and be done with him.

[A beaker full of death]

Jetfire wrote:

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HERE you can go through a complete comparison of the costume.

My only real complaint with the Superman Returns costume was no \S/ on the cape. I do understand the technical reason why it wasn't included though.

Not to mention the speedo, the texture, the muddy colors, the lame belt buckle, and the silly boots.

[Admiral_Young]

Action Comics #775 is about all about the relevance of Superman and why he is still important in our time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What%27...merican_Way%3F

I agree completely with what Temis the Vorta said.

Chris Reeve will always be Superman to me and I would have loved it if Tom wore the \S/uit for an entire season on SMALLVILLE...but it doesn't look like it will happen.

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Jetfire wrote:

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My only real complaint with the Superman Returns costume was no \S/ on the cape. I do understand the technical reason why it wasn't included though.

Which is?

Mr. Laser Beam wrote:

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Which is?

The CGI sequences of Superman...at least that is what I have heard. I also heard since there were S's all over the costume Brian Singer thought one on the cape would be overkill...I am not sure if any of this is actually true though.

[Admiral_Young]

There are instances where Superman doesn't have the S on the back of the cape in the comics. Kingdom Come is one that comes off the top of my head. I really don't see it as a big deal. I didn't like the S Shield at first on the Returns suit and thought it should have been made bigger. Did you guys know that the Returns suit actually had little tiny S shield's weaved into the suit all through it? On the making of documentary they actually show this. I thought that was a pretty neat touch.

I feel a \S/hield on the front and one on the cape is good...one in the belt is a bit much and in the bottom of the boots.

Traditional more or less. I also like the Superman X suit.

[Admiral_Young]

I didn't like the concept of Superman X but liked the suit design. As for Lex...I wish we could have had the corporate mongrel/mad scientist (like what Paul Cornell is writing in Action Comics and Grant Morrison used in JLA) Luthor instead of the scheming petty criminal who's obsessed with land and real estate. One of my problems with the film versions of Luthor was that he came up with all these grand plans but what they all ultimately came down to was overblown real estate schemes!!!!! At least in "Superman Returns" you had Luthor show a little of his viciousness in the scene where he attacks and stabs Supes with the broken piece of Kryptonite. I like the idea of a film where Luthor is present back in the background or not vital to the story.

[The Lensman]

Temis the Vorta wrote:

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Supes doesn't need a makeover. He needs a filmmaker who is willing to make a movie about who he is: a naive and sincere alien immigrant who fights for Truth, Justice and the American Way.

I've always found this version of Superman boring. Gimme 1938-39 Superman anyday. He wasn't naive, and he fought for the common man. He was an outlaw ass kicker taking on corporate abuses, corruption and whatever the hell else pissed him off, with the cops trying to arrest him.

Somewhere along the way, he became a boring boyscout working to maintain the status quo. But that's not how he started. Someone once said that 1938-39 Superman was the most subversive mainstream super hero, even moreso than Batman.....I agree.

Let's see Hollywood make *that* Superman movie!

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I think his powers would have to be tuned down a bit...like they were in that time...but I would see that movie.

[Admiral_Young]

I think they should make a Superman film based on "Superdickery"

[Nardpuncher]

The thing is if you change anything..the change just sticks out too much.

Who cares if when you really think about his suit is garish and silly....we're all used to it, we like it, so we accept it and just make another movie.