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Old August 9 2010, 12:06 AM   #16
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Re: Planet of the Titans study models

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I can never look at this design and not see the initial concept for the 1701D.
I got copies of much of the Ken Adams/ Ralph McQuarrie work in the early 80s from Mr. Probert via Paul Newitt. When the 1701-D design was released several years later, I saw the resemblance. You have to account for the fact that these were study models and rough in form, and that they might well have been softened somewhat if they had been developed further. I also assumed the bigger saucer on the 1701-D was a functional adaptation to the longer (I think originally stated to be twenty year?) mission of the TNG ship. I did just that when I came up with the Ariel carrier design and then specifically mentioned my "softened" version as a harbinger of later designs as a nod to the 1701-D in the publications where it appeared.

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Old August 9 2010, 09:12 PM   #17
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Re: Planet of the Titans study models

I'd speculate (in universe, of course) that the delta hull design is one of several basic configurations that starfleet likes to reuse from time to time, along with the basic connie, the akira, reliant, and a few other designs? apparently, each config. is deemed ideal for specific roles/missions within the overall fleet?
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Old August 9 2010, 10:40 PM   #18
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I love this design. I wonder what happened to the other study model?
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Old August 10 2010, 12:49 AM   #19
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Before I forget, here are similar designs here:
http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/s...terprise/page7

And here:
http://www.starshipmodeler.net/talk/...ic.php?t=85627
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Old August 10 2010, 02:54 AM   #20
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^^ For a reboot I'd have liked that far better than JJ's Uglyprise.
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Old August 10 2010, 02:30 PM   #21
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^^ For a reboot I'd have liked that far better than JJ's Uglyprise.
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Old August 16 2010, 11:27 PM   #22
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I just hope that both sutdy models are scanned and some model maker puts them into production.
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Old August 17 2010, 03:53 AM   #23
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I got copies of much of the Ken Adams/ Ralph McQuarrie work..
BTW, it's Ken ADAM, not Adams.
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Old August 17 2010, 08:36 AM   #24
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If this design is to be part of the Trek universe, I wonder how much of it is going to be...

I mean, it looks as if at least that piece in the middle of the spine, with two rods sticking to port and starboard, was glued onto the model solely for allowing it to be suspended from the Art Department ceiling with wires. Do we assume that it's an important tri-isophasic thingamabob, or do we omit it from the model on the assumption that it was never intended to be there in the first place?

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Old August 18 2010, 11:39 AM   #25
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It's a nice model in it's own right. But I could never see it as an Enterprise. It reminds of the airfix flying versions of trek ships u take out and use like a kite
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Old August 18 2010, 11:29 PM   #26
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They could have done something like this for Abrams's Trek movies, and much as I like the version they came up with it would have been nice to see more of a departure such as this represents.

But at least the Enterprise as created for TOS was a fully-formed design and concept, unlike, say the shuttlecraft. I was leafing through "The Art Of Star Trek" earlier and was reminded that the "AMT shuttle" was not even nearly Jefferies' first choice as a design. He even tried to replace it with something a little more sophisticated for Star Trek: Phase II. Yet due mainly to the weight of tradition we're still stuck with variations of a flying wooden box even in a 150 million dollar movie.
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Old August 18 2010, 11:35 PM   #27
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I still think the AMT shuttlecraft looks like a jon boat with a canopy on the top of it.
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Old August 19 2010, 03:33 AM   #28
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I'm pretty sure that in the first season of Blake's 7 they built a small patrol ship in just that fashion, putting a superstructure on top of some sort of fiberglass or aluminum dinghy.
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Old August 19 2010, 09:29 AM   #29
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They could have done something like this for Abrams's Trek movies, and much as I like the version they came up with it would have been nice to see more of a departure such as this represents.

But at least the Enterprise as created for TOS was a fully-formed design and concept, unlike, say the shuttlecraft. I was leafing through "The Art Of Star Trek" earlier and was reminded that the "AMT shuttle" was not even nearly Jefferies' first choice as a design. He even tried to replace it with something a little more sophisticated for Star Trek: Phase II. Yet due mainly to the weight of tradition we're still stuck with variations of a flying wooden box even in a 150 million dollar movie.
But the movie shuttles had, ya know, some curves... That was a huge departure.

It was a shame that TNG adopted the same thing once they got rid of their season 1 shuttle. I really liked the curved lines and the ideas behind it (though never shown), like the forward entrance platform.

Though the mock up was another boxed joke. Too complex I think they said.
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Old August 19 2010, 11:43 AM   #30
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John Eaves shows some of the early ideas for STXI shuttles on his blog pages. It seems to have been clear from the start, though, that STXI hardware ought to very closely resemble TOS hardware; all the ideas that could be considered "departures" were nixed early on.

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