How IRON MAN 2 ruined Jon Favreau's relationship with Marvel - Page 6

Aragorn · August 7 2010, 10:28 PM

Not sure what Hillary Swank would've brought to the role. It wouldn't have changed how superficial and unnecessary Black Widow was.

Gaith · August 8 2010, 12:06 AM

Black Widow should have been younger and tighter-bodied than Pepper, so that when Tony finally chooses her, it's for her personality, rather than how she looks in a pencil skirt. (Not that she'd look at all bad in one, but, hey, it's the movies.)

Admiral_Young · August 8 2010, 12:06 AM

Yeah I'm not sure how Hilary Swank would change the role except costing Marvel Studios more money

I still think Emily Blunt was the perfect first choice to play Natasha, too bad she had to drop out.

Mr Light · August 8 2010, 12:13 AM

I am disappointed that Black Widow didn't speak in a "moose and squirrel" Russian accent, though. Also I thought she was gonna be a bad guy (Russian undercover spy? Movie's bad guy is Russian?) and then defect to the good guys for love of Tony or something. Didn't she defect from Russia because she fell in love with Hawkeye in the comics?

Anwar · August 8 2010, 12:48 AM

Natasha is a spy, so she shouldn't speak with an accent. This was mentioned in the comics once, I believe.

Admiral_Young · August 8 2010, 01:11 AM

Yeah I was disappointed too but as Anwar pointed out she's a spy and would have learned to speak fluently accented American English. Also as Jackson Archer pointed out to me in a discussion we had about this subject...there was already plenty of Russian with the Valko character.

Mr Light · August 8 2010, 02:29 AM

How bout when she's revealed as a spy she then reveals her true accent

DarKush · August 8 2010, 03:03 AM

I don't think the Avengers subplot ruined the film. I think the story overall was blah. They didn't follow through on Tony's alcoholism which would've made a more compelling story than the blood poisoning. Even though I enjoyed seeing War Machine, I think they should've followed the comics a little bit more faithfully and had Rhodes take over as IM and then have a recovered Tony have to fight him to reclaim the title.

Also, I think they didn't know what to do with the villains. Vanko sat around for most of the movie tinkering and the decision to make Hammer an ineffectual Stark wannabe made him more of a joke than a threat. Also, the Armor Wars stuff I would've held back until the third film.

The movie wound up being just okay for me, but it could've been so much more. It was a disappointment in comparison to the first IM film. Some of the Avengers stuff actually kept my attention in IM2 more than if it hadn't been included.

Admiral_Young · August 8 2010, 03:10 AM

Why do people keep saying they didn't follow up on Tony's alcoholism? Tony plastered himself because he thought he was dying and didn't give a rats arse about anything anymore. He fought War Machine in the Iron Man armor DRUNK at his own birthday party endangering his own guests. Was this a major plot of the movie? No. It was a subplot and a continuation of a conversation on the plane between Tony and Rhodes from the first film. Favs has given an interview or two I believe touching on the Demon in the Bottle storyline from the comics and explaining that he's included elements of it in the films but not used it as an entire plot in the film. One could argue that the main villain in the film was Tony himself. Blinded and arrogant by his new found spotlight as Iron Man, dealing with dying and drowning himself with boos. Valko and Hammer weren't executed well enough I don't think. Hammer as I stated in the original Iron Man 2 discussion thread seemed to be a carbon copy of Tony but flawed. He needed to be less jokey and a little more sinister.

Timby · August 8 2010, 04:21 AM

I don't care if it's his nickname, I'm going to ban the next person who types "Favs."

JacksonArcher · August 8 2010, 04:26 AM

Timby wrote:

I don't care if it's his nickname, I'm going to ban the next person who types "Favs."

Oh, c'mon Tims, don't be so harsh. I think Favs is a great nickname.

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Aragorn · August 8 2010, 04:58 AM

Farewell, JacksonArcher, you'll be missed... until you create your own board TrekBBSBegins.com.

Captain Craig · August 8 2010, 04:59 AM

Don't ban Jackson. I like his commentary and opinion...ok maybe on Thor early released stuff we are a bit apart at the moment but he's an alright poster.

JacksonArcher · August 8 2010, 05:39 AM

Blame Favs for my banishment.

Aragorn · August 8 2010, 05:48 AM

Uh oh. What's a double ban like?

August 7 2010, 10:28 PM	#76
Aragorn Admiral	Re: How IRON MAN 2 ruined Jon Favreau's relationship with Marvel Not sure what Hillary Swank would've brought to the role. It wouldn't have changed how superficial and unnecessary Black Widow was.

August 8 2010, 12:06 AM	#77
Gaith Rear Admiral Location: Starfleet Command, The City that Knows How	Re: How IRON MAN 2 ruined Jon Favreau's relationship with Marvel Black Widow should have been younger and tighter-bodied than Pepper, so that when Tony finally chooses her, it's for her personality, rather than how she looks in a pencil skirt. (Not that she'd look at all bad in one, but, hey, it's the movies.)

August 8 2010, 12:06 AM	#78
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: How IRON MAN 2 ruined Jon Favreau's relationship with Marvel Yeah I'm not sure how Hilary Swank would change the role except costing Marvel Studios more money I still think Emily Blunt was the perfect first choice to play Natasha, too bad she had to drop out. __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.

August 8 2010, 12:13 AM	#79
Mr Light Admiral Location: Pennsylvania	Re: How IRON MAN 2 ruined Jon Favreau's relationship with Marvel I am disappointed that Black Widow didn't speak in a "moose and squirrel" Russian accent, though. Also I thought she was gonna be a bad guy (Russian undercover spy? Movie's bad guy is Russian?) and then defect to the good guys for love of Tony or something. Didn't she defect from Russia because she fell in love with Hawkeye in the comics? __________________

August 8 2010, 12:48 AM	#80
Anwar Vice Admiral Location: Regina, SK, Canada	Re: How IRON MAN 2 ruined Jon Favreau's relationship with Marvel Natasha is a spy, so she shouldn't speak with an accent. This was mentioned in the comics once, I believe.

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August 8 2010, 01:11 AM	#81
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: How IRON MAN 2 ruined Jon Favreau's relationship with Marvel Yeah I was disappointed too but as Anwar pointed out she's a spy and would have learned to speak fluently accented American English. Also as Jackson Archer pointed out to me in a discussion we had about this subject...there was already plenty of Russian with the Valko character. __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.

August 8 2010, 02:29 AM	#82
Mr Light Admiral Location: Pennsylvania	Re: How IRON MAN 2 ruined Jon Favreau's relationship with Marvel How bout when she's revealed as a spy she then reveals her true accent __________________

August 8 2010, 03:03 AM	#83
DarKush Rear Admiral	Re: How IRON MAN 2 ruined Jon Favreau's relationship with Marvel I don't think the Avengers subplot ruined the film. I think the story overall was blah. They didn't follow through on Tony's alcoholism which would've made a more compelling story than the blood poisoning. Even though I enjoyed seeing War Machine, I think they should've followed the comics a little bit more faithfully and had Rhodes take over as IM and then have a recovered Tony have to fight him to reclaim the title. Also, I think they didn't know what to do with the villains. Vanko sat around for most of the movie tinkering and the decision to make Hammer an ineffectual Stark wannabe made him more of a joke than a threat. Also, the Armor Wars stuff I would've held back until the third film. The movie wound up being just okay for me, but it could've been so much more. It was a disappointment in comparison to the first IM film. Some of the Avengers stuff actually kept my attention in IM2 more than if it hadn't been included.

August 8 2010, 03:10 AM	#84
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: How IRON MAN 2 ruined Jon Favreau's relationship with Marvel Why do people keep saying they didn't follow up on Tony's alcoholism? Tony plastered himself because he thought he was dying and didn't give a rats arse about anything anymore. He fought War Machine in the Iron Man armor DRUNK at his own birthday party endangering his own guests. Was this a major plot of the movie? No. It was a subplot and a continuation of a conversation on the plane between Tony and Rhodes from the first film. Favs has given an interview or two I believe touching on the Demon in the Bottle storyline from the comics and explaining that he's included elements of it in the films but not used it as an entire plot in the film. One could argue that the main villain in the film was Tony himself. Blinded and arrogant by his new found spotlight as Iron Man, dealing with dying and drowning himself with boos. Valko and Hammer weren't executed well enough I don't think. Hammer as I stated in the original Iron Man 2 discussion thread seemed to be a carbon copy of Tony but flawed. He needed to be less jokey and a little more sinister. __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.

August 8 2010, 04:21 AM	#85
Timby YEAH I LOVE THAT	Re: How IRON MAN 2 ruined Jon Favreau's relationship with Marvel I don't care if it's his nickname, I'm going to ban the next person who types "Favs." __________________ I didn't do it. I wasn't even here* that day!*

August 8 2010, 04:58 AM	#87
Aragorn Admiral	Re: How IRON MAN 2 ruined Jon Favreau's relationship with Marvel Farewell, JacksonArcher, you'll be missed... until you create your own board TrekBBSBegins.com.

August 8 2010, 04:59 AM	#88
Captain Craig Vice Admiral Location: Nashville,TN	Re: How IRON MAN 2 ruined Jon Favreau's relationship with Marvel Don't ban Jackson. I like his commentary and opinion...ok maybe on Thor early released stuff we are a bit apart at the moment but he's an alright poster. __________________ "Picard never hit me." Q-Less(DS9) "Freedom is the Right of All Sentient Beings" Optimus Prime Twitter:http://twitter.com/#!/CaptainCraig1

August 8 2010, 05:39 AM	#89
JacksonArcher Vice Admiral	Re: How IRON MAN 2 ruined Jon Favreau's relationship with Marvel Blame Favs for my banishment.

August 8 2010, 05:48 AM	#90
Aragorn Admiral	Re: How IRON MAN 2 ruined Jon Favreau's relationship with Marvel Uh oh. What's a double ban like?