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Old August 7 2010, 10:28 PM   #76
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Re: How IRON MAN 2 ruined Jon Favreau's relationship with Marvel

Not sure what Hillary Swank would've brought to the role. It wouldn't have changed how superficial and unnecessary Black Widow was.
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Old August 8 2010, 12:06 AM   #77
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Black Widow should have been younger and tighter-bodied than Pepper, so that when Tony finally chooses her, it's for her personality, rather than how she looks in a pencil skirt. (Not that she'd look at all bad in one, but, hey, it's the movies.)
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Old August 8 2010, 12:06 AM   #78
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Yeah I'm not sure how Hilary Swank would change the role except costing Marvel Studios more money I still think Emily Blunt was the perfect first choice to play Natasha, too bad she had to drop out.
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Old August 8 2010, 12:13 AM   #79
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I am disappointed that Black Widow didn't speak in a "moose and squirrel" Russian accent, though. Also I thought she was gonna be a bad guy (Russian undercover spy? Movie's bad guy is Russian?) and then defect to the good guys for love of Tony or something. Didn't she defect from Russia because she fell in love with Hawkeye in the comics?
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Old August 8 2010, 12:48 AM   #80
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Natasha is a spy, so she shouldn't speak with an accent. This was mentioned in the comics once, I believe.
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Old August 8 2010, 01:11 AM   #81
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Yeah I was disappointed too but as Anwar pointed out she's a spy and would have learned to speak fluently accented American English. Also as Jackson Archer pointed out to me in a discussion we had about this subject...there was already plenty of Russian with the Valko character.
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Old August 8 2010, 02:29 AM   #82
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How bout when she's revealed as a spy she then reveals her true accent
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Old August 8 2010, 03:03 AM   #83
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I don't think the Avengers subplot ruined the film. I think the story overall was blah. They didn't follow through on Tony's alcoholism which would've made a more compelling story than the blood poisoning. Even though I enjoyed seeing War Machine, I think they should've followed the comics a little bit more faithfully and had Rhodes take over as IM and then have a recovered Tony have to fight him to reclaim the title.

Also, I think they didn't know what to do with the villains. Vanko sat around for most of the movie tinkering and the decision to make Hammer an ineffectual Stark wannabe made him more of a joke than a threat. Also, the Armor Wars stuff I would've held back until the third film.

The movie wound up being just okay for me, but it could've been so much more. It was a disappointment in comparison to the first IM film. Some of the Avengers stuff actually kept my attention in IM2 more than if it hadn't been included.
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Old August 8 2010, 03:10 AM   #84
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Why do people keep saying they didn't follow up on Tony's alcoholism? Tony plastered himself because he thought he was dying and didn't give a rats arse about anything anymore. He fought War Machine in the Iron Man armor DRUNK at his own birthday party endangering his own guests. Was this a major plot of the movie? No. It was a subplot and a continuation of a conversation on the plane between Tony and Rhodes from the first film. Favs has given an interview or two I believe touching on the Demon in the Bottle storyline from the comics and explaining that he's included elements of it in the films but not used it as an entire plot in the film. One could argue that the main villain in the film was Tony himself. Blinded and arrogant by his new found spotlight as Iron Man, dealing with dying and drowning himself with boos. Valko and Hammer weren't executed well enough I don't think. Hammer as I stated in the original Iron Man 2 discussion thread seemed to be a carbon copy of Tony but flawed. He needed to be less jokey and a little more sinister.
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Old August 8 2010, 04:21 AM   #85
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I don't care if it's his nickname, I'm going to ban the next person who types "Favs."
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Old August 8 2010, 04:26 AM   #86
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I don't care if it's his nickname, I'm going to ban the next person who types "Favs."
Oh, c'mon Tims, don't be so harsh. I think Favs is a great nickname.

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Old August 8 2010, 04:58 AM   #87
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Farewell, JacksonArcher, you'll be missed... until you create your own board TrekBBSBegins.com.
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Old August 8 2010, 04:59 AM   #88
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Don't ban Jackson. I like his commentary and opinion...ok maybe on Thor early released stuff we are a bit apart at the moment but he's an alright poster.
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Old August 8 2010, 05:39 AM   #89
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Blame Favs for my banishment.
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Old August 8 2010, 05:48 AM   #90
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