Voyager Deathmatch!!! - Page 3

Adm_Hawthorne · July 30 2010, 02:01 AM

henbane wrote:

exodus wrote:

Adm_Hawthorne wrote:

We've seen Janeway get physical (heh) multiple times, and she's always kicked arse and taken names.

exodus is right, I think, about her.

Janeway has been a commander and now Captain, Beverly is a doctor. Just going by "Memorial" and Janeway was involved the same Cardassian wars as Miles O'Brian (Remember her story to Seven in "Prey"?), Janeway is used to being in combat situations and having to defend herself. Bev. isn't.

Taking hand to hand combat simulations isn't the same as being in real combat.

Ohhh I'm sorry - I thought the title of the thread was "deathmatch", not b*tch slap fest .... lol

As much as I liked the Janeway character, she was not a physical combat orientated character. Yes, yes they did get her to do a few physical things but they were never convincing - not like Seven or Be'Lanna (if Janeway was really a convincing fighter do you really think they wouldn't have made better use of this trait??).

Captain's don't normally become involved in hand-to-hand combat by the time they make it that far in the Fleet career path. So, no, even if she fit your profile of 'physical', she still would not have seen a great deal of combat time.

That being said, "bitch slap"... really?.

July 30 2010, 02:10 AM

Janeway-Seven Of Nine-B'Elanna-Kes...

Tickle Fight!

Timewalker · July 30 2010, 03:16 AM

Adm_Hawthorne wrote:

Captain's don't normally become involved in hand-to-hand combat by the time they make it that far in the Fleet career path. So, no, even if she fit your profile of 'physical', she still would not have seen a great deal of combat time.

Oh? Kirk had plenty of hand-to-hand combat. And who can forget the scene in DS9 when Sisko finally had enough of Q's shenanigans: "You hit me! Picard never hit me!"

Why not get Kirk, Picard, Sisko, and Janeway in a fight (young, TOS-series era Kirk, not movie-era Kirk). Of course, we know Kirk's shirt would rip first. But whose else would you like to see torn?

Or do they just make captains' uniforms out of stronger material in the 24th century?

Adm_Hawthorne · July 30 2010, 03:24 AM

Well, I'd say that Kirk is not in my reference point. As has been stated in every series from TNG forward, Kirk's time was different and things were rougher then.

I think Kirk and Sisko would be a good match, but this is a Voyager thread. As such, I'd say Kirk and Janeway would be interesting watch. Season 3 TOS Kirk and season 7 Janeway.

July 30 2010, 05:34 AM

I am not sure how it would happen...

Neelix & Tuvix!!!

henbane · July 30 2010, 07:45 AM

Kirk, Sisko and Archer were all scrappers (fighters) - and if my memory serves me correctly, they were all Captains too, so I don't agree with the sentiment that StarFleet captains didn't engage in hand-to-hand combat. The two exception are Picard and Janeway - even Kate Mulgrew has stated that Janeway wasn't a "physical" kind of character (ie atlete, fighter etc).

Adm_Hawthorne · July 30 2010, 01:16 PM

No, I said that Captain's of Janeway's time period don't usually engage in hand-to-hand combat.

But, Janeway had fought in a war, and she'd been captured by the Cardassians and fought her way out. She could more than hold her own. The character, not Kate. Kate made up her on personal, internal storyline for Kathryn. So, what Kate says off screen about Janeway isn't always true-to-form when it comes to what Kathryn is actually capable of.

It's fine if you don't like Janeway, henbane. But must you ruin every bit of fun regarding her?

henbane · July 30 2010, 04:52 PM

Adm_Hawthorne wrote:

No, I said that Captain's of Janeway's time period don't usually engage in hand-to-hand combat.

But, Janeway had fought in a war, and she'd been captured by the Cardassians and fought her way out. She could more than hold her own. The character, not Kate. Kate made up her on personal, internal storyline for Kathryn. So, what Kate says off screen about Janeway isn't always true-to-form when it comes to what Kathryn is actually capable of.

It's fine if you don't like Janeway, henbane. But must you ruin every bit of fun regarding her?

Totally uncalled for Adm!

If you read my posts properly you would see that I do like Janeway - she was the best Star Trek Captain - I just don't think she is God-like. Besides I am entitled to my opinions - just as you are entitled to yours. It's rather sad that you see opinions written by others that don't fit your mental image as "ruining your fun regarding her".

I respectfully suggest that you become less defensive of your opinions and develop a little tolerance of how others see and read the Janeway character - nothing is absolute.

Adm_Hawthorne · July 30 2010, 05:16 PM

You're right, nothing is absolute. The "bitch slap fest" put me on the defensive since it is a negative connotation in my part of the world.

However, I chose not to escalate this any further in a public thread.

Sorry for the offense.

======================

Seska and B'Elanna

My money is on Seska.

Jonny · July 30 2010, 06:40 PM

seven vs the borg queen

I'll go for the borg queen lol

JanewayRulz! · July 30 2010, 07:50 PM

Janeway vs the Borg Queen, and I'll bet my 401K on the Captain!

"I DON'T compromise with BORG!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O8Yj...eature=related

henbane · July 31 2010, 02:06 AM

JanewayRulz! wrote:

Janeway vs the Borg Queen, and I'll bet my 401K on the Captain!

"I DON'T compromise with BORG!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O8Yj...eature=related

Haha JanewayRulz! Janeway did win that one:

Janeway to BorgQueen: "If you want to assimilate me, it's going to cost you an arm and a leg"

henbane · July 31 2010, 02:12 AM

Adm_Hawthorne wrote:

You're right, nothing is absolute. The "bitch slap fest" put me on the defensive since it is a negative connotation in my part of the world.

However, I chose not to escalate this any further in a public thread.

Sorry for the offense.

======================

Seska and B'Elanna

My money is on Seska.

Adm: "bitch slap fest" was a joke (hence the "lol" after I said it)

Apology accepted - tolerance for the opinions of others is a must in public forums, just as it is in real life.

exodus · July 31 2010, 02:18 AM

henbane wrote:

exodus wrote:

Adm_Hawthorne wrote:

We've seen Janeway get physical (heh) multiple times, and she's always kicked arse and taken names.

exodus is right, I think, about her.

Janeway has been a commander and now Captain, Beverly is a doctor. Just going by "Memorial" and Janeway was involved the same Cardassian wars as Miles O'Brian (Remember her story to Seven in "Prey"?), Janeway is used to being in combat situations and having to defend herself. Bev. isn't.

Taking hand to hand combat simulations isn't the same as being in real combat.

Ohhh I'm sorry - I thought the title of the thread was "deathmatch", not b*tch slap fest .... lol

As much as I liked the Janeway character, she was not a physical combat orientated character. Yes, yes they did get her to do a few physical things but they were never convincing - not like Seven or Be'Lanna (if Janeway was really a convincing fighter do you really think they wouldn't have made better use of this trait??).

"Macrocosm", "The Killing Game" and "Memorial" weren't convincing?
When have we EVER seen Beverly in anything close to that?

The hardest task Beverly ever did was wrestling the last croissant out of Picard's hands at breakfast. We're not talking about Janeway fighting Hirogen, just Beverly Crusher. It's acceptable Janeway will win regardless of how physical you believe she needs to be.

Come on, give it up.
Janeway can kick ass.

henbane · July 31 2010, 05:40 AM

hehe - it wasn't me that mentioned Beverly Crusher - I really didn't like that character, Dr Pulaski was much better (to make it relevent, she was mentioned in Voyager:Endgame). Crusher would fall over if struck by a puff of wind....hehe.

Besides - I was referring to talking about the title of the thread, which is deathmatch and Janeway would be no match (in physical prowess and athleticism) for Seven or Belanna...and that's not an age related comment either.

July 30 2010, 02:10 AM	#32
Jetfire Guest	Re: Voyager Deathmatch!!! Janeway-Seven Of Nine-B'Elanna-Kes... Tickle Fight!

July 30 2010, 03:24 AM	#34
Adm_Hawthorne Admiral Location: Not really sure anymore	Re: Voyager Deathmatch!!! Well, I'd say that Kirk is not in my reference point. As has been stated in every series from TNG forward, Kirk's time was different and things were rougher then. I think Kirk and Sisko would be a good match, but this is a Voyager thread. As such, I'd say Kirk and Janeway would be interesting watch. Season 3 TOS Kirk and season 7 Janeway. __________________ My fanfiction -> You've been warned My Card

July 30 2010, 05:34 AM	#35
Jetfire Guest	Re: Voyager Deathmatch!!! I am not sure how it would happen... Neelix & Tuvix!!!

July 30 2010, 07:45 AM	#36
henbane Lieutenant Commander	Re: Voyager Deathmatch!!! Kirk, Sisko and Archer were all scrappers (fighters) - and if my memory serves me correctly, they were all Captains too, so I don't agree with the sentiment that StarFleet captains didn't engage in hand-to-hand combat. The two exception are Picard and Janeway - even Kate Mulgrew has stated that Janeway wasn't a "physical" kind of character (ie atlete, fighter etc).

July 30 2010, 01:16 PM	#37
Adm_Hawthorne Admiral Location: Not really sure anymore	Re: Voyager Deathmatch!!! No, I said that Captain's of Janeway's time period don't usually engage in hand-to-hand combat. But, Janeway had fought in a war, and she'd been captured by the Cardassians and fought her way out. She could more than hold her own. The character, not Kate. Kate made up her on personal, internal storyline for Kathryn. So, what Kate says off screen about Janeway isn't always true-to-form when it comes to what Kathryn is actually capable of. It's fine if you don't like Janeway, henbane. But must you ruin every bit of fun regarding her? __________________ My fanfiction -> You've been warned My Card

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July 30 2010, 05:16 PM	#39
Adm_Hawthorne Admiral Location: Not really sure anymore	Re: Voyager Deathmatch!!! You're right, nothing is absolute. The "bitch slap fest" put me on the defensive since it is a negative connotation in my part of the world. However, I chose not to escalate this any further in a public thread. Sorry for the offense. ====================== Seska and B'Elanna My money is on Seska. __________________ My fanfiction -> You've been warned My Card

July 30 2010, 06:40 PM	#40
Jonny Lieutenant Location: Liverpool Merseyside uk	Re: Voyager Deathmatch!!! seven vs the borg queen I'll go for the borg queen lol

July 30 2010, 07:50 PM	#41
JanewayRulz! Rear Admiral Location: North America	Re: Voyager Deathmatch!!! Janeway vs the Borg Queen, and I'll bet my 401K on the Captain! *"I DON'T compromise* with BORG!"** http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O8Yj...eature=related Last edited by JanewayRulz!; July 30 2010 at 09:44 PM. Reason: edited to add a instructional video on Janeway

July 31 2010, 05:40 AM	#45
henbane Lieutenant Commander	Re: Voyager Deathmatch!!! hehe - it wasn't me that mentioned Beverly Crusher - I really didn't like that character, Dr Pulaski was much better (to make it relevent, she was mentioned in Voyager:Endgame). Crusher would fall over if struck by a puff of wind....hehe. Besides - I was referring to talking about the title of the thread, which is deathmatch and Janeway would be no match (in physical prowess and athleticism) for Seven or Belanna...and that's not an age related comment either.