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Old July 21 2010, 01:09 AM   #91
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Re: Just watched Star Trek V - pros and cons

The best Trek movie, and no, I aint joking. Those who dislike it are sheep following the 'cool' crowd. It's 'cool' to hate this movie. I am happily uncool. I reckon more people LOVE this movie than statistics show. Cowardice is what it is.
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Old July 21 2010, 07:50 AM   #92
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"What does God... need with a space ship?"

Need I say more?

And to you Kirk, I will grant the concept is good. I read the novelization and watched the film again, in hopes I'd appreciate it after enjoying the novel. I didn't.
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Old July 21 2010, 09:00 PM   #93
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I really enjoy this film, despite its production flaws.
Pro: Like many have said, this felt more like the TOS.
Pro: The 3 main characters were great.
Pro: I like how the antagonist was misguided, not stock evil character.
Pro: The Bridge set is my favorite of the TOS movies. But, I do think carpet was inappropriate for a bridge during this time period.
Pro: Real location shots.
Pro: A bunch of aliens.
Pro: Observation lounge.

Con: Rushed, pure and simple. This explains why the script was not ironed out further to permit appropriate humor and the sub par visual FX. And the studio shoulders all the blame for rushing it.

Con: Not enough focus on the other characters to explain why they were following Sybok. The novel does a much better job explainig their actions.

Con: No engineering shots.

Con: Too TNG. The hallways were way too big for Enterprise-A. I already mentioned the carpet.

Con: No explanation of where E-A came from and why it was having so many problems. I've heard some say that the Probe from the previous film could be the cause, because Roddenberry once said she was originally the YorkTown.

Con: Klingons pursuing were comical.

Con: No explanation of how they reached the center of the galaxy so quickly. Then again, at the time, I had no idea of the distances involved. Nor how fast warp speed is supposed to be. And, I doubt average viewers would know either. We know how they got through the barrier, because Sybok says it is all an illusion.

Con: Studio refused to pay for updates and improvements in the Directors cut.

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Old July 23 2010, 03:13 PM   #94
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Re: Just watched Star Trek V - pros and cons

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I really enjoy this film, despite its production flaws.
Pro: Like many have said, this felt more like the TOS.
Pro: The 3 main characters were great.
Pro: I like how the antagonist was misguided, not stock evil character.
Pro: The Bridge set is my favorite of the TOS movies. But, I do think carpet was inappropriate for a bridge during this time period.
Pro: Real location shots.
Pro: A bunch of aliens.
Pro: Observation lounge.

Con: Rushed, pure and simple. This explains why the script was not ironed out further to permit appropriate humor and the sub par visual FX. And the studio shoulders all the blame for rushing it.

Con: Not enough focus on the other characters to explain why they were following Sybok. The novel does a much better job explainig their actions.

Con: No engineering shots.

Con: Too TNG. The hallways were way too big for Enterprise-A. I already mentioned the carpet.

Con: No explanation of where E-A came from and why it was having so many problems. I've heard some say that the Probe from the previous film could be the cause, because Roddenberry once said she was originally the YorkTown.

Con: Klingons pursuing were comical.

Con: No explanation of how they reached the center of the galaxy so quickly. Then again, at the time, I had no idea of the distances involved. Nor how fast warp speed is supposed to be. And, I doubt average viewers would know either. We know how they got through the barrier, because Sybok says it is all an illusion.

Con: Studio refused to pay for updates and improvements in the Directors cut.
Completely agree on all counts.
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Old July 24 2010, 03:53 AM   #95
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A completely enjoyable film. I've never understood the despising of it. It's right up there with VI for me as great TOS films. Sybok is a very interesting character, the first (?) of Vulcans we see who reject Surak's teachings and take a very different path. Why does everyone hate him? I don't get it. He had a lot more depth than Soran.
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Old July 24 2010, 04:40 AM   #96
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A completely enjoyable film. I've never understood the despising of it. It's right up there with VI for me as great TOS films. Sybok is a very interesting character, the first (?) of Vulcans we see who reject Surak's teachings and take a very different path. Why does everyone hate him? I don't get it. He had a lot more depth than Soran.
I don't know why Roddenberry hated him. One would assume Sarek was bonded as a child. So what happened to that mate? Did she decide to become a priestess? Was she killed? Was she like T'Pring and wanted someone else?
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Old July 24 2010, 05:00 AM   #97
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A completely enjoyable film. I've never understood the despising of it. It's right up there with VI for me as great TOS films. Sybok is a very interesting character, the first (?) of Vulcans we see who reject Surak's teachings and take a very different path. Why does everyone hate him? I don't get it. He had a lot more depth than Soran.
I don't know why Roddenberry hated him. One would assume Sarek was bonded as a child. So what happened to that mate? Did she decide to become a priestess? Was she killed? Was she like T'Pring and wanted someone else?
Maybe Sarek left her for Amanda. Though that level of scandal doesn't fit his highly esteemed positing in Vulcan society.
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Old July 24 2010, 05:53 PM   #98
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Biggest con: they pushed too hard to throw humor in, which turned out to be contrived, rather than evolving genuinly from the plot.
Well, another way to put it is that the writing was simply written badly. ("Pushed too hard" to me is a statement that seems to place blame soeley on the studio) There's nothing wrong with adding (or being told to add) humor into a movie. IMO the humor is not the only thing that was written badly, though.
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Old July 24 2010, 05:58 PM   #99
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The best Trek movie, and no, I aint joking. Those who dislike it are sheep following the 'cool' crowd. It's 'cool' to hate this movie. I am happily uncool. I reckon more people LOVE this movie than statistics show. Cowardice is what it is.
No, I dislike it strictly on my own terms, regardless of what the general consensus is on it or any of the other films. I'm sorry, it's ridiculous to simply pigeonhole critics as people who are following a crowd. Do you really believe that?

I think what separates me from a lot of Trek fans is that I have detached myself from the "Trek" part far enough to simply look upon it critically as a movie. I find people are way too forgiving of it based on their emotional attachment of the franchise and characters.
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Old July 24 2010, 05:59 PM   #100
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Pros: The story works for TOS, the cast come off as having fun, some silly but fun humor-- again, very TOS, one of my favorite bridge sets.

Cons: Budget cuts really hurt the movie, SFX were SHITE, Shatner can't direct his way out of a paperbag with a TomTom, a sherpa, and a road map, "God" was a good concept, but felt like a wasted chance to revisit TOS-- Gary Mitchell anyone?

Final grade: C/B-
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Old July 25 2010, 03:25 AM   #101
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Pacing was too slow and the plots and subplots never completely gelled. Maybe a couple more weeks of rehearsal and they would've had it.
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Old July 26 2010, 01:53 AM   #102
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Loved the bridge, though, it's my favorite of the TOS movies.
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Old July 26 2010, 04:41 AM   #103
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Pros: The story works for TOS, the cast come off as having fun, some silly but fun humor-- again, very TOS, one of my favorite bridge sets.

Cons: Budget cuts really hurt the movie, SFX were SHITE, Shatner can't direct his way out of a paperbag with a TomTom, a sherpa, and a road map, "God" was a good concept, but felt like a wasted chance to revisit TOS-- Gary Mitchell anyone?

Final grade: C/B-
I don't know if we would want them to redo Gary Mitchell. Someone new, or they found him alive on Delta Vega. Finding Mitchell alive seems alot like Kahn. And surely someone has been to Delta Vega since. BTW, I think Mitchell was in Of Gods and Men.
I would pefer to see what Shatner had planned for the Rock Creatures. We only have a small test of the suit. That is another reason for Paramount to allow shatner to complete his vision with some CGI Rock Creatures.
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Old July 26 2010, 04:49 AM   #104
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Pros: The story works for TOS, the cast come off as having fun, some silly but fun humor-- again, very TOS, one of my favorite bridge sets.

Cons: Budget cuts really hurt the movie, SFX were SHITE, Shatner can't direct his way out of a paperbag with a TomTom, a sherpa, and a road map, "God" was a good concept, but felt like a wasted chance to revisit TOS-- Gary Mitchell anyone?

Final grade: C/B-
I don't know if we would want them to redo Gary Mitchell. Someone new, or they found him alive on Delta Vega. Finding Mitchell alive seems alot like Kahn. And surely someone has been to Delta Vega since. BTW, I think Mitchell was in Of Gods and Men.
I would pefer to see what Shatner had planned for the Rock Creatures. We only have a small test of the suit. That is another reason for Paramount to allow shatner to complete his vision with some CGI Rock Creatures.
Well my though with Mitchell is a bit more emotional connection for Kirk. Another way to go would be to have God appear before them as their greatest pain versus the Sybok Mind-Whammy in the movie.
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Pros: The story works for TOS, the cast come off as having fun, some silly but fun humor-- again, very TOS, one of my favorite bridge sets.

Cons: Budget cuts really hurt the movie, SFX were SHITE, Shatner can't direct his way out of a paperbag with a TomTom, a sherpa, and a road map, "God" was a good concept, but felt like a wasted chance to revisit TOS-- Gary Mitchell anyone?

Final grade: C/B-
I don't know if we would want them to redo Gary Mitchell. Someone new, or they found him alive on Delta Vega. Finding Mitchell alive seems alot like Kahn. And surely someone has been to Delta Vega since. BTW, I think Mitchell was in Of Gods and Men.
I would pefer to see what Shatner had planned for the Rock Creatures. We only have a small test of the suit. That is another reason for Paramount to allow shatner to complete his vision with some CGI Rock Creatures.
Yes. This. Just for fun, because they'd never do it legitimately, I'd like to see Paramount or somebody do some CGI work on Trek V just to see what the results would be. That includes FX shots, the rock men, you name it. Someone has to be interested in such a project. Shoot, if I had the CG skills, I'd do it.
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