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The Next Generation All Good Things come to an end...but not here.

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Old July 5 2010, 04:37 AM   #16
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Re: Scotty in the 24th century

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There's three possible explantions:

1. The "meta" explantaion. Obviously the writers had not yet written Generations yet so they didn't "know" that Kirk was dead.

2. The "techno-babble" explanation. Geordi says that Scotty's pattern had only degraded by some fraction of a percent. It's possible that that fraction of a percent was the "memory" of Kirk dying. It's unlikely and an extreme coincidence, but it's "possible" in the techo-babble sense.

3. The "colloquialism" explanation. Scotty could've been speaking in a figurative manner, saying that his chances of being recovered were so extreme and unlikely that it'd take Kirk coming back alive, reocvering the Enterprise and hunting him down for Scotty to be discovered and recovered.
Yep. Good post. That sums it up. I'm going with transporter fugue myself.
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Old July 5 2010, 05:50 PM   #17
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I thought this was thread about this:
That's hysterical. Thanks for posting it.
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Old July 6 2010, 05:27 PM   #18
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Never mind.....
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Old July 10 2010, 11:27 PM   #19
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I don't know. Has anyone grabbed a mouse and asked the "Computer?" lol
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Old July 11 2010, 08:40 AM   #20
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Incidentally, my favorite part of the episode is seeing the TOS transporter effect one last time.
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Old July 12 2010, 12:36 AM   #21
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I think that he just didnt belive Kirk was dead, consider that they would never have found aq body, and all the things Kirk had survived before, a small part of Scotty probably belived his old friend had survived, somehow.
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Old July 12 2010, 02:52 AM   #22
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I didn't know whether to put this is the movie forum or here, so I just chose here. I accept both the TV episode "Relics" and the later movie Generations in my personal Trek canon. Since Generations came out, I am not aware that there have any been any official explanation as to why Scotty thought it was Kirk who had come to rescue him chronologically after Kirk apparently died on the Enterprise-B.

So has anyone come up with any retcons to explain it?
Actually yes, Ron Moore said at the time that he knew this was an inconsistency, but that Scotty was included in the film out of simple affection for the character. I no longer remember where I read this, unfortunately.

As for an "in-universe" explanation, it could be explained away that Scotty got lost in the transporter after Kirk "died" on the B, and 75 years in suspended animation scrambled his memory a little.

Works for me.
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Old July 14 2010, 08:09 PM   #23
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Confusion, age, and memory loss sound good.
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Old July 14 2010, 08:31 PM   #24
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No need to overthink this thing. Go with the "he was just confused for a moment" explanation and be done with it.
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Old July 19 2010, 08:14 AM   #25
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I'm truly loving the Shatinator's explanation, when Scotty left for his retirement James Kirk was "back" and Scotty knew him to be alive.

Very Shatnerverse.
Keeping it out of the Shatnerverse, I think this could make for an interesting book.

"Kirk's back in the 23rd century and he's pissed. One man, alone... This time...it's personal."

Heh, heh...but no really: the tale could be seminal...the epic journey to save a comrade that didn't end in success. My God, Bones...what ever happened on that mission when the angels wept?

I may try working this out in my head. How do you make the epic hero lose yet still win insofar as keeping the tale in the idealistic pantheon stories where the hero always wins?
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Old July 20 2010, 09:01 PM   #26
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No need to overthink this thing. Go with the "he was just confused for a moment" explanation and be done with it.
If I have to be forced to accept that Generations occured, than I will go with this. ^

But in my mind, Generations was just another of Data's bizzare dream sequences and they just forgot to add the big reveal at the end. If Generations must exist, I think they should have ended it with Data waking up and hearing the sonic shower going, then cut to Kirk walking out, looking at Data and saying 'What iis it?' and Data replying with 'I have just had the strangest dream.', then fade to black. What the hell, it's worked before.
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