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Old July 17 2010, 08:09 AM   #46
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Meh. It was "okay".


ETA: Dammit, I knew I should have refreshed the page before posting!
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Old July 17 2010, 01:48 PM   #47
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It's funny, I agree with a lot of what JA said, but the sketchy characters and big plot hole at the end mark the movie down for me. Like someone else said, I would put the movie between above average and excellent.
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Old July 17 2010, 01:59 PM   #48
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I saw it last night and thought it was pretty good. I'd seen the trailers and wasn't entirely sold on them, but naturally it's often difficult to get the best hook from a trailer. I have to say while I'd agree the film isn't quite up to instant classic level, it was nonetheless a lot better than I thought it might turn out to be.
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Old July 17 2010, 02:02 PM   #49
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I give this movie FOUR STARS. It was better than Predators, Despicable Me, and way better than The Sorcerer's Apprentice.

The CGI was great. The aspect of the movie centered on dreams and the technology used to hack into them was interesting to learn and explore. The human aspect of the movie was great with the rise and fall of Cobb's relationship with his wife, the bond he had with the new female Architect who helped him confront his issues with his wife once and for all, and other character-driven material. The movie also had the right amount of humor to give its drama some moments of leavity and the ending had me and the rest of the audience on the edge of our seats.
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Old July 17 2010, 02:58 PM   #50
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Watanabe shooting himself would no more lead to escape from "limbo" than letting a train run over your head would. The only escape was waking up, which because of the time lag in the dream levels meant only after a very long time. DiCaprio and Cotillard escaped that way the first time.

The hollowness of most of the characters means that any interpretation about the richness of the emotional subtexts is nonsense. It takes long, incredibly detailed posts trying to cover that up.

Watanabe came back to them. Either DiCaprio has near divine powers to predict human behavior (and I didn't believe it when Page came back either,) or the manipulation was kept offstage. That's a story cheat, and worse, a meaningless story cheat. DiCaprio tricking Watanabe isn't a shred more interesting and is less meaningful in an emotional sense than him genuinely rescuing Watanabe. Besides, why would Watanabe project Tom Berenger so that he could confuse him with Tom Hardy in disguise? If you have to entertain complete nonsense to try to find some sort of depth in this movie, I would think that means there isn't any.

The whole suggestion that the final scene is still a dream is cheap and meaningless because it directly contradicts DiCaprio's speech about how Cotillard is just an inadequate copy of the real person. Thesame applies to the children. Suddenly breaking the rules of the game for a "tragic" ending where DiCaprio lapses into accepting a dream as real fails because it is arbitrary but still not tragic, but pathetic. DiCaprio would know that it was a dream. If Watanabe can see carpet and know it was a dream, then DiCaprio can see the children haven't aged and know it was a dream. The audience has to see the same children in the same clothes so they'll recognize them. Nolan couldn't wait another three or four years to film children the audience might not even recognize.
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Old July 17 2010, 04:31 PM   #51
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Regarding the ending, someone pointed out on another site that whenever Cobb is in the real world, he doesn't have his wedding ring on; in the dream world, he does. At the end of the movie, he doesn't have a ring on, implying that the world is real.
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Old July 17 2010, 05:05 PM   #52
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At the end of the movie, he doesn't have a ring on, implying that the world is real.
Maybe he's still dreaming but doesn't have the ring because he let go of his wife.
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Old July 17 2010, 05:44 PM   #53
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Average. Convoluted as hell, but the combat at the Swiss chalet hospital fortress was pretty cool.
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Old July 17 2010, 05:52 PM   #54
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Well, he's not wrong on either point, is he?
No, but is it so difficult to do a little research? A quick Google search would tell you that Watchmen isn't a 90 minute action fest.
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Old July 17 2010, 07:22 PM   #55
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Regarding the ending, someone pointed out on another site that whenever Cobb is in the real world, he doesn't have his wedding ring on; in the dream world, he does. At the end of the movie, he doesn't have a ring on, implying that the world is real.
I see you post at SHH as well.
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Old July 17 2010, 08:34 PM   #56
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Inception grossed $21.645 million dollars on Friday. That includes $3 million for midnight showings. Add to that the great reviews and positive word-of-mouth and this should end up a huge hit.
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Old July 17 2010, 11:26 PM   #57
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Here's a really fun article of an interpretation of not only the ending but the whole movie:

http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/article...interpretation

It basically posits that the events preceding the event did occur in reality and in dream-states as presented on the surface, and that when Saito and Cobb wake up in the plane, they are indeed back in reality.

HOWEVER, the author suggests that the final scene after that is indeed a dream, but not in a limbo dream state. Instead, he posits that it's simply a regular old dream that Cobb later has -- maybe on the plane, maybe sometime in the future -- just sleeping normally.
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Old July 18 2010, 02:41 AM   #58
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Before I got into my review, I have to mention a couple of things about the trailers I saw. I went to a Japanese IMAX (my first IMAX experience) and I noticed that in the trailer of Inception they showed (which was a bit weird in itself, I've never seen that happen in the States) was exactly the same as the third trailer but with five shots of Ken Watanbee (who I noticed was absent from the trailer prior to seeing this one).

We also got to see the Tron: Legacy trailer (which is my most anticipated film of the year, even more so than Inception was), and although it was dubbed, it was amazing to see Tron on IMAX. I cannot wait to see it in December.

And now onto my review...

Like Pixar, Christopher Nolan can't do wrong. Like others have said, I expected to get more of a mindfuck but I still loved every moment of this film. I expected the film to end explicitly stating Cob was still dreaming as a final mindfuck, but in a way, I'm glad that didn't happen.

However, the reason I expected this particular mindfuck is born from the one issue I have with the film: As Cob noted, Ariadne was a quick learner, but that doesn't explain how she was so perspective in regards to Cob's mental state. How was she able to suddenly gain deep insight into Cob's psyche when Arthur didn't despite knowing that Mal kept popping up? Because of her incredible insight, I expected that "reality" was a dream and that Ariadne was visiting Cob as means to bring him out.

That minor flaw aside, the film was incredible from the cast to the special effects (limited CGI and relying on traditional filmmaking) to the original story. Nolan has stated that Stanley Kubrick (who is my favorite director) is his idol and it shows. I'm beginning to feel like Nolan might be surpass Kubrick at some point. Only time will tell.

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Regarding the ending, someone pointed out on another site that whenever Cobb is in the real world, he doesn't have his wedding ring on; in the dream world, he does. At the end of the movie, he doesn't have a ring on, implying that the world is real.
Interesting, I didn't notice that, but that's hardly surprising. Nolan's films always have a lot of layers that you don't notice completely on the first viewing.
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Old July 18 2010, 03:00 AM   #59
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Inception

Rated: PG-13

My Grade: A

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Not a movie had planned on seeing but my buddy wanted to go see it tonight so we did. Glad I did, I wouldn't have likely seen it otherwise. A brilliant movie that combines The Matrix, What Deams May Come, and a drop of Ocean's Eleven to make an engrossing movie.

It's hard to give too much of a plot synopsis without spoiling but I'll try. In this movie Leo DiCaprio plays a secret agent of somekind who specializes in drugging people, "breaking in to their dreams" using some-kind-of device and then manipulatiung that dream to extract hidden information from inside the subject (who doesn't know they are in a dream unless something tips him off.) The movie spends a pretty good ammount of time, much like The Matrix, explaining to the audience the "rules" within dreamland, time is exagerated (i.e. much like real-world dreaming what is hours in the "real world" can really be days in the dream world, disturbing the "reality" of the dream too can tip the subject's subconcious off that something is messed up and doing something in the dream (like falling or killing yourslef) will wake you up (again much like in the real world falling will jerk you awake.) It's all pretty complicated and interestingly laid out the only drawback being that the technology that allows this isn't too much explained.

This isn't a big deal as it's just a plot device to explore some of the deeper issues with Leo's character and something that occured with him in the past that resulted in the death of his life after spending a "life time" in the dream world. (See, if you use the dream-world technolgy that's inside the dream world you compound the time difference. So now what passes as days in the secondary dream world is hours in the first dream world which is minutes in real world.) Leo's character is presented with an opportunity to clear his name in the US so he can return home to his kids if uses the dream-world technology to help out a powerful businessman, Leo then assembles a "team" of people whom he'll need to pull this off (like in the Oceans movies.) this includes an "architect" played by Ellen Page who is needed to "design" the look of the world and the mind-bending things that can happen there since physics doesn't exsist (sort-of like in the Matrix.) Though there's techonological limits they'll have to break to pull this off Leo goes through with it anyway to get the chance to return home.

The core story is sort-of flimsy, the technology ill defined or explained but the way it's pulled off is masterful and mind-bending. Leaving this movie I felt a lot like how I felt after watching The Matrix for the first time (the first one, that is) with the manipulation of the "dream world."

Very good movie I highly reccomend it.
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Old July 18 2010, 03:12 AM   #60
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SPOILERS ABOUT THE ENDING:








I think that it would have been better mindfuck if maybe the whole thing was his wife's dream. She is the only other person who would know the weight of Cobb's totem and therefore it would react correctly in the dream world.

One thing that makes me think the ending was a dream was that his kids look exactly the same as they have in his previous dreams (except he can see their faces). It is implied that he hasn't seen them in a good while and that they should be older. The fact that they still look exactly like he remembered them makes me lean towards it being a dream.
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