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Re: The Doctor Who Schematics Thread
I tell you what, I like it too..not to mention I am working on a Guide to the tardis, and using that and the image shown above for that digital book.. I will update the old thread with that once all of the book is finished. as for this thread, I wanted to do all the ships like they do int he star trek schematics thread, so from here on out, I am going to do other ships and they will be on plain white back drops.. Be looking for the Rutan ships!
![]() I am sure the older models of the Tardis will have a Victorian style of it's own, especially the much touted and massive Type 7 (Rassilon's personal Tardis!), not to mention the cool design of a Prototardis.. For now, if I can get the schematics for the original to stay put, the others should be easier to do... now that I have the main formula finalized as the Type 40, the others will come much easier, as the formula is pretty easy. the coolest thing will be to do the war Tardises in this new style, and showcase their weaponry.. BTW as the Tardis jettisons it's rooms to gain extra thrust, it does so on the inside of the ring of rooms in the middle, they end up being shot directly into the swirling vortex which is produced just above the center of the ring on the top and bottom of the ship as it spins..if you can look at the design and imagine that.. Last edited by starsuperion; July 13 2010 at 04:12 AM. |
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Re: The Doctor Who Schematics Thread
the rooms are reconfigured through matter manipulation and can be moved by a complex gravity beam system which is used to shuffle rooms to different departments if needed.. due to the size of the tardis, it was necessary for the Time Lord researchers (cosmic Chronologists) to have access to certain experiment rooms without having to walk too far, being the ship was very massive, and was used for the purposes of categorizing entire star systems from their beginnings to the present day Gallifreyan time Line.. Here is the Type 40 Tardis as seen within it's own Dimension: ![]() this design shows how the ship retained a certain victorian old world style to it's design and housed an inferior communications array. the massive shield generators, and gravity beam system was adorned with a giant seal of Rassilon, and was one of the few ships he personally had a hand in the conception of before he was imprisoned in the tower of the death zone..In those days his seal was planted almost everywhere, as was that of Omega, who was once hailed for his legacy..
when the Doctor's New Console room was constructed it was a new fresh room, which was then configured through matter transfer into the current console, using the brainwave pattern of the new doctor, the ship chose a design that it estimated fit the persona of the pilot best.. hence the look of the Tardis..they are psychically linked, and as such the Tardis takes on traits of the pilot in it's design..the older Tardis console rooms are still kept as part of the ship and are located in other various focal point spots (cradles) near the shield generators around the ship..
the basics are here.. massive rings which funnel the vortex through the gravity derived from the artificial eye of harmony, and the rooms which rotate in a clockwise direction around the center, which draw energy and act like a suction for particle flow.. theses rooms are jettisoned through the center of the ship into the tardis vortex pathway to produce additional thrust which is then used to force the ship out of problem areas, or speed the ship's travel through the vortex of time/space.. the shield generators, and gravity beam system holds the configuration in place and can be used to move sections of the ship to other areas if desired by the pilot at the top of the ship's ring are rooms, of those rooms is a console room which locks into place below the shield generators, and is the focal point which is the gateway to the normal universe of space..each room set in a cradle has access to the outside world.. some are secondary, and others are the primary console control rooms.. if you look at the scale of the ship you can get an idea of how many decks, levels and rooms there are on this ship, much more then a Federation starship would have.. Here is the Type 80 Tardis as seen in it's own Dimension.. Now the Type 80 Tardis would be the last series of ships to be built in the standard size of most Tardis ships, with the exception of the Proto-Tardis Type Zero, and the Type 7 Rassilon's personal behemoth Tardis, most ships were about the same size, and over the eons of time became more advanced as Time Lord technology surpassed the previous models.. ![]() Design Fun Fact: if the Default mode of this Type 80 Tardis looks familiar it is because it was a mode shown in the back story of issue #4 of the old Marvel comics Doctor who comic-book. it is important to note that not all Tardis Models were in use, some had only 1 ship built, and then a new model was done, some were only released in 5 ships.. most however were produced as a new line of ships after the first ones were assigned sectors of the Universe to chronicle through time.. At the most Tardis ships topped out at 305, depending on the mass production capability and potential of the design..this however was not the case during the time war, where a thousand war Tardises were in use at a time.. I hope your questions were answered Mark, and any other people reading this, if you have questions I can explain how this new design addresses certain things in the Tardis lore.. up next a SIDRAT! Last edited by starsuperion; July 14 2010 at 05:47 AM. |
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Re: The Doctor Who Schematics Thread
I hope you forgive me for doodling over your graphics, but it's easier to discuss things if I point out the sections I'm talking about. I almost get the sense that the sections highlighted in gold below are intended to move: ![]() As modules in the central core are added and jettisoned, do the upper and lower sections move up and down while the shield generators move in and out? I think this design is starting to inspire a sense of grace and beauty again. My only complaint is that the areas highlighted below in green seem to be too straight along the edges: ![]() I've added a simple circle around the structure to indicate a possible field of force around the ship. The actual shape of this field can be anything and is probably more complicated as you've indicated in other illustrations. But I'm using a simple circle for discussing a design suggestion only. What if the edges of the upper and lower sections curved to follow the proposed field of force rather than sloped directly between a larger and smaller diameter structure? I'm a big proponent of form following function, and the lines of force of a magnetic field (for example) are beautiful curves. Any structure that followed such lines of force (presumably for some super-science purposes) would also reflect that beauty and bring to mind a technology melded with nature. Finally, I have one final image to throw out at you: ![]() That cityscape is somewhat iconic. And I'm fascinated with the sphere surrounding the city. I wonder if the original intent was to make it reminiscent of a snow globe or Christmas ornament. It's just a wild idea intended as nothing more than brainstorming, and I'm in no way trying to tell you how to build your fleet, but what if TARDISes looked, in five dimensional space, like glittering Christmas ornaments with golden arches and crystalline spires?
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Re: The Doctor Who Schematics Thread
here is a revised Tardis design with a better and more practical look.. ![]() practical as in it being larger on the top and the funnel gets smaller directing the warped space/time into a focused point near the center of the ship which forms the time vortex, and is fixated on a point in space/time.
ultimately the forcefield only encompasses the rooms section.. But the dimensional forces and gravitational field that creates the time vortex looks something like this: this design is a mock up I am working on for my ultimate Guide to the Tardis..it is unfinished, but ultimately shows how the theory of the Tardis is presented.. being that the Tardis houses an artificial singularity as it's core, it is centered around what most science explains as wormholes, or time vortexes..since the ship exists in it's own dimension, it is able to fixate a point in space/time and use it's massive engines to move the ship throughout the cosmos..the reason the engines are so massive is because not only does the Tardis move the front door about the universe, the entire dimension that the Tardis rests in is also moved with that front door.. they are one and the same.. (hence relative dimensions as the inside is relative to the outside, and vice verse) that is why the central section of rooms is only shielded, because it is the only part of the ship exposed to our reality, and the engines are stationary in the dimension.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-Time http://www.instablogsimages.com/imag...rived_7071.jpg The 4th Dimensional Tesseract symbol shown in the diagram is making the point that the center of the box is the front door of the Tardis, as the rest of the structure around the box is the rest of the ship.. the focal point, or cradle in which the dimensionally linked console room is stored is the box shown around the shield generators of the silhouette shape in the center of the vortex.it is under the shield generators that the Tardis console room is stored, for greatest protection..any number of onsole rooms are left in a cradle section below those generators, and each can be accessed by the pilot..so not only does the doctor pilot his ship from that one cradled console room, he can move about the ship, and pilot older versions and alternate versions of the console room housed in that same cradled structure which is held separate from the rest of the core rooms,if need be the cradle can separate from the rest of the rooms section and those rooms can be jettisoned..the time lord engineers designed it that way to expell dangerous experiments, or forces in space that could effect the ship, or to provide thrust power if need be.. ![]()
again, the design elements of the ship with the aspect of it looking like castle tower of sorts, until you look at it form the top.. the shield sections on this design move outward, and are not hinged, they just slide outward like drawers.. ![]()
the only ship we ever saw that showed what time lord technology would look like as a spaceship the time station Zenobia! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9w2P4_-Ggo ..based on that design, I was able to try to do something that carried that ship design spirit on to the Tardis so the space station and the time lord Tardises had the same feel.. I think that you are making the same mistake I was initially and that was to interject too much style into a ship, which actually should not because it just wouldn't be practical or necessary.. honestly though I think that with your questions you raised, It helped me refine the look of these ships, and I thank you for that.. also in a way I took the ships engines and inverted them, so you could say that I took the doctor's advice and reversed the polarity..LOL
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Re: The Doctor Who Schematics Thread
but, please, take a few moments and watch these clips from "Castrovalva".. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9q...t-3_shortfilms http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9r...t-4_shortfilms and then http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvnKXOGYKM8 it seems to me that the bulk of the Tardis should be rooms.. and levels and decks, and more rooms..maybe my earlier designs were too bulky, so what I have done is to increase the rooms, and the mass which consist mostly of rooms.. and only a light frame or exoskeleton exists around the structure to produce the rooms, maintain it's form, and direct the flow of space-time into the central core and form an access to a vortex.. anyhow, the "architectural configuration" system is like I stated before, whereby the raw matter is farmed from subspace and or the vortex, and turned into rooms for use by the tardis... these structures are all controlled by the gravity beam system within the shielded area in the center of the tardis..I am going to have to rethink the type 80 design as well.. anyhow, let me know what you think of this, which better fits the feel of what they try to convey in "Castrovalva" there are spaces between the rings of the ship, in the Side view ![]() By Jove, I think I got it! Last edited by starsuperion; July 16 2010 at 05:35 AM. |
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Re: The Doctor Who Schematics Thread
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Re: The Doctor Who Schematics Thread
thanks for the compliment on the final worked out image above, and special thanks to psion for asking great questions and pushin g me to look into the design a bit more, and reach deeper.. the Coolest thing is that in the image above, the little round orbs beneath the ring and above the ring, on the bottom are on a track that moves about the Tardis in a circle and manipulates the rooms configurations and adjusts the Tardis according to the pilot's wishes.. the track lowers downward around the center of the Tardis room columns and a beam of energy is emitted and the rooms move and reconfigure themselves accordingly.. if you were to go inside the room column, you would see at the center is a massive structure, that is partly visible in the top/bottom view of the schematic.. that central core is the main engine section, and computer data core.. from there the Tardis rooms are able to be jettisoned directly into the vortex swirling about just above and below the core from the massive Tardis engines (the rings) which focus the event horizon of space time into a vortex through which the outer shell is teleported into and moved throughout the universe.. ![]() iF YOU THINK ABOUT IT THOUGH THE TARDIS IS ACTUALLY ON IT'S SIDE, AS THE ROOMS INSIDE THE FRAME STRUCTURE ARE RELATIVE TO A PLANETS EQUATORS..AND POLES, THIS IS BECAUSE THE TARDIS REVOLVES IN A CIRCULAR PATTERN LIKE THE EARTH, OR GALLIFREY.. AND SO ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE TARDIS IT IS UP, AND OR DOWN.. IT DOESN'T MATTER.. THE CONTROL CONSOLE ROOMS ARE ALL LOCATED UNDER THE BRIDGE ATTACHED TO THE FORCE FIELD GENERATORS..THEY ARE THEN CONNECTED TO THE ARTRON MAINFRAME A DIRECT LINE TO THE CENTRAL CORE.. WHICH IS BEHIND ALL THE ROOMS WE SEE IN THE IMAGE ABOVE..HOWEVER SHOULD THE TARDIS NOT BE COMPENSATED FOR LANDING SLANTED, THE SHIP CAN TILT ON IT'S AXIS AND THEN IT WILL SEEM TO BE SLANTED..UNTIL THE DIEMSNIONAL STABILIZERS CAN BE USED TO STRAIGHTEN THE SHIP OUT.. Last edited by starsuperion; July 16 2010 at 07:26 PM. |
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Re: The Doctor Who Schematics Thread
I hope you do not mind I shared your threads here with the people at tardis builders as I am quite certain they will find them incredibly interesting. here is a link to the thread in question http://tardisbuilders.com/index.php?topic=1907.0 |
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Re: The Doctor Who Schematics Thread
it includes some schematics and designs based on countless doctor who episode research.. and descriptions in the books, comics, novels and soo much more! I can't wait to share it with you guys..coming soon! |
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Re: The Doctor Who Schematics Thread
what I found out is more amazing.. the design I finally have is the one.. and I have you to thank for the suggestion of the circular structures surrounding the ship..like the Time Lord citadel.. thanks man! Okay, so here is how it is done.. a Tardis construction: 1st thing is to create the dimension in which the ship is to be constructed and grown.. the massive Tardis engines are built, and the central computer data core, and a massive artron energy mainframe.. a structural frame is then built, and then a main console room is constructed.. after that the massive dynamorphic generator rooms are grown, inside they house massive crystal power generators, which siphon particles from the time vortex and provide power for the Tardis.. there are ports on the massive engine that suck in particles and feed them to the crystal dynamorphic generators..There are dimensional stabilizers which hang down from the main room masses these control the tardis direction and maintain it's path while it travels.. once that is done, a block math transfer is done to recreate a singularity simulating the eye of harmony in the Tardis cloister room.. the main power source of the Tardis.. the Tardis is then grown in size to equal it's power output, and the ship is then ready for configuration... the interior is then mapped to the Pilot's mind, and is adjustable accordingly...via the architectural configuration system.. the outside of the tardis sports massive Roundels..(i may redo that to just have etched Time lord text, but for now, I kinda like the roundels as it ties the exterior of the ship to the interior we all know..) the top section houses the dematerialize and materialization generators, the communications and sensory array, and various other scientific equipment.. with this all finalized.. I give you the concept art for the Tardis! ![]() I will of course do a fully lined version, and do the top, and bottom view, as well as a parts dissection the Tardis is partly built, and constructed.. the rest is grown through particle assembly and the dimensions can be reconfigured, or modified with sufficient power think star trek replicators but on a massive scale, and so intricate that is has to be mapped out in full detail.. which takes tons of computer configurations..(but the main Tardis Structure has to be intact to maintain the ship's foundation, SO THAT PART IS BUILT THROUGH CONVENTIONAL MEANS BY TARDIS ENGINEERS..) Here is the rough concept.. it is perfect! I hope you guys like it.. I sure do. the engines have that Victorian Ironworks feel to it like the source materials say.. this is Also to tie into the 8th doctor's use of the original Tardis console in the 1996 movie.. the base console is the one used by him and sports a Victorian ironwork style, as do the tardis rooms that are first constructed..until programmed into more complex rooms.. also, the default Tardis console room is the hartnell one, and the secondary room is the wooden one.. ANY WAYS, THE TARDIS MANUAL I AM WORKING ON WILL MAP WHERE THE OTHER TARDIS ROOMS ENDED UP..AND WILL PROVIDE A FRAME WORK FOR THE SHIP MINUS THE ROOMS.. FROM THE TOP VIEW THE SHIP LOOKS LIKE A MASS OF HEXAGONAL ROOMS, WITH SMALL CORRIDOR CONNECTIONS.. the mass of the ship is placed in comparison size to the galaxy class enterprise ships shown below it..I think that this size is more realistic to the Doctor's ship..it's scale is indeed massive! think of how many rooms, decks, and places were on the TNG enterprise.. then imagine that saucer section in relation to the Tardis shown above.. the doctor could reconfigure the Tardis over and over and over again, with all that still there in one ship because of the sheer mass of the thing.. scroll up and take another gander at the time lord citadel above, and then look back at the design of this new tardis.. see a cool resemblance? I do.. it has the flavor of that architecture.. which is what I always wanted.. since the Tardis is ancient as mentioned by River song, the ship should have an old victorian, hg wells style engine system..which I hope I managed to get in this design.. anyways, I can't wait to explore more of this design in the upcoming tArdis manual, I will upload here exclusive to Trekbbs, and my deviant art page only.. so hang in there guys till then, it is in the works.. Last edited by starsuperion; July 27 2010 at 07:01 PM. |
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Re: The Doctor Who Schematics Thread
the 2nd half of the manual will center on the rebuilt Tardis, and the changes made to the ship which obviously happened in the time war.. that all aside, below you will see a preview for the Gallifreyan Wars with the Vampires, a Bowship! The Heavy Class Bowship Preview: Bowships were warcraft used by the Time Lords in their war against the Great Vampires. (PDA: The Infinity Doctors, EDA: Interference - Book Two) The primary weapon of a bowship was a launcher firing a "mighty bolt of steel" which was capable of killing a Great Vampire if it pierced it through the heart. (They absorbed attacks from directed energy weapons and rapidly regenerated damage from minor projectiles.) As most of the details of the Vampire War exist only as legendary fragments, little is known of the exact specifications of Bowship construction. (DW: State of Decay) Bowships were later used in the Last Great Time War, although their effectiveness against Dalek technology would have been presumably limited at best. This Bowship has a spire on the front bow of the ship, incase of last resort the bowship can attain ramming speed and use it's front spire to impale a Great Vampire and succeed in it's mission. These ships had quantum Torpedoes and Mega-Stazers which could inflict tremendous damage on a Great Vampire, until they could use their Steel bolts. The Ship's weapon acts like a Hyper Magnetic accelerator, and super charges the bolt, which then is magnetically shot out at tremendous speeds to impale it's target within seconds of deployment. this provides that the Great Vampire can not deflect such actions, as it happens too fast. The Ship also sports psychic inhibitors, which protect the crew from the damaging dark energy effects, and the ship is adorned with symbols of the great Gallifreyan Empire, and as the ship travels it is protected by Old High Gallifreyan Text, which glows a Golden energy.. the ships are in a reddish brass colour, and sport bright blue hyperdrive engines..the front of the ship has a seperate bridge which regulates the weaponry, while the back section is the bridge, and navigational control, a secondary weaponry/Bridge facility is located below the Main bridge in case of dire circumstances.. The Bowship pictured is a heavy Cruiser class, I have a smaller freighter class and a larger dreadnought class in the works as well.. There are also factory ships which could latch onto an asteroid which could be mined for steel, and the ship's could teleport that spire into it's loading bay to reload for battle.. however, Long range teleportation was limited..in many cases these heavily armed massive mining ships would follow a formation of Warships as supply support.. they had limited weapons but great and powerful shielding and super thick hulls. the name of this particular ship is written in high Galifreyan on the top section just behind the main weapons control, and says "Vanquisher" I hope you guys like.... ![]() The Final Schematic will follow, with a detailed mark-up explaining where everything is on the ship.. by the way, this is a "Doctor Who" Schematics thread, so I am not just focusing on the Tardis here, there will be plenty of other designs done, like the Bowships, I will mainly be concentrating on Gallifreyan Tech first.. then on to others...some we have seen, some we haven't seen..but for now, the Bowships, the citadel of the Timelords, and some other Time Lord stuff, like the Academy..I will also get on into the Time war, and yes, various tardises will make their way here as well.. And yes, the Solar Engineering ship that once belonged to Omega, including a detailed look at the Hand of Omega.. now picture the massive ship that Rassilon commanded, it was black with burnt red in some areas, and adorned with golden glowing High Gallifreyan text.. that ship will be the last one of the bowships done.. Last edited by starsuperion; July 29 2010 at 04:55 AM. |
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Re: The Doctor Who Schematics Thread
Will we see Dalek schematics? Or Cybermen?
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Re: The Doctor Who Schematics Thread
thanks man, yeah rassilon's gauntlet, his crown, the staff, stazers, and daleks,cybers and more will all be done! the tardis manual will blow you guys away,trust me.. |
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