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Old May 22 2010, 08:51 PM   #406
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Re: WIP - TMP Enterprise, deck by deck

Very nice work there
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Old May 23 2010, 05:50 AM   #407
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Good news everybody! I finally got enough time to make some progress on this project. I spent some time and generated a detailed plan view of the bridge interior. Next up, I need to build the structures shown.

I never doubted you for a second...good job.
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Old May 30 2010, 07:06 AM   #408
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Bumping in 3...2...1...

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OK, checked my references and my original TWOK bridge, seems I did scale it to fit the turbolifts. Sorry about that.
The railing is as guessed 20' in diameter, as is the "pit" Chekow and Sulu are sitting in. The outher wall, that would be on the bottom, has a diameter of 35,5'. The ceiling height, that is where all those fancy lights are, is 7,65' heigh. The ceiling height of the bridge INTERIOR dome is 9,9'. The walls go up with a curve of 10,5'.

The dome of the Ent, with a lenght of 1000' has a diameter of 38.8'.

Now, if I put The correct TWOK bridge into the refit, then the bridge fits in very nice, but the turbolifts now are WAY OFF, and I'm afraid they might also fall outside the module. Don't have time right now, but if interested I will put up some pics of the result.

So I guess for CTM, it leaves him using only the TMP bridge in this case. Which is the toughest of them all. OR lower the TUC bridge into the C deck a bit so the turbolifts fall inside the dome. OR use the TUC bridge and put the center backwards toward the airlock.

Anyway, it seems the original builders did line up the center of dome and the center of the turbolifts, but then screwed the proportions. If you take the bridge with a diameter of 35,5' and then put the turbolifts where they are supposed to be from the outside seen, they fall well inside the bridge itself.
I made the mistake of trying to work this math, on another thread. I came up with about 6ft between the bridge dome interior & exterior walls at the base, almost enough to fit in the TUC lift locations, if you prefer... particularly if the bridge floor were lowered about half a deck, like in Jaspers' earlier suggestion.

There's a storyline for that...taking a page from "Mr. Scott's Guide", the 1701A was the first E-size cruiser with transwarp drive, yet the TVH bridge was obviously based on the same systems layout as the 1701. It's conceivable that the 1701A's first outing revealed its M-6 computer was unsuitable for transwarp, and it went straight back for an upgrade to an entirely different (TNG-style) computer core. Along with that came the redesigned TFF bridge, mounted a few feet lower to improve maintenance access to the console-to-core interfaces (which now occupied most of B deck), and also to make room for more topside sensor gear, all without altering the armored outer pressure hull.

Anyway, phenomenal job on the TMP model, CTM! Can't wait for more pics of our favorite ship
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Old May 30 2010, 05:34 PM   #409
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CTM, have a look at this thread:

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=122299

I posted a pic there and link for the TMP bridge, think you could use it also.
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Old May 31 2010, 05:12 AM   #410
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I just read this thread today and, CTM, you are my new internet hero. Your work is absolutely fantastic, and your drive to continue working on it is incredible.
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Old May 31 2010, 01:54 PM   #411
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Well, once I finish modeling the interior, I will try to fit it into the exterior, and we shall see where the disparity lies.
That will have to wait, however, as I am finishing up 2-d floorplans of an Oberth (I will post in a separate thread shortly) for my Gaming Group.
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Old May 31 2010, 01:56 PM   #412
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It is worth noting that my bridge floorplan comes from Mr. Scott's Guide, and I will incorporate any/all info sources I can to properly model it.
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Old July 15 2010, 07:54 PM   #413
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Great work CMT. I've always wanted to see a 3D deck by deck version of my favorite starship. I wish someone did some maps of this ship for EliteForce. They did it for the original Enterprise.

Some observations and questions.
1. Main Engineering looks like the Turboshaft goes in front of the pressure door we see in TMP and TWOK sets, at the front of engineering. Am I seeing that correctly. While it is not the definitive source, Mr. Scotts guide says the turbo shaft shifted over on the deck above after exiting the dorsal. It also says this deck, which you say is cramped, housed the engineering computer system. Could you not have your shaft shift over on this deck to? I think its Turbo shaft did not go straight down the dorsal, but did a stair step drop down the back of the dorsal.

2. Does your dorsal support emergency saucer sep?

3. Again, Mr. Scotts Guide shows a vertical computer core running from under Deck A to the sensor dome on the bottom of the saucer.

4. The concave sections are supposed to support tanks for water and air and hydrogen.

5. Do you have room on your port rear side of F & G decks for the aux fusion reactors?

6. Does your F deck have the exterior hatch used in TMP to exit E and walk to V'GER?

7. Do you have stair wells and or ladders down the center of the saucer and the rear of the dorsal?

On the topic of bridges, personally if I was the ships designer, I would replace that A deck airlock with the Captains ready room and make that a window and remove that console behind the CON with a door to the room. I like the TWOK bridge layout, but prefer the TFF workstations. But I know you're trying to make as faithful as possible version of the TMP version.

Keep up the great work. Can't wait to see the finished product.
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Old July 15 2010, 09:27 PM   #414
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http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars...ns-sheet-8.jpg

I'm not certain if these are the plans you were using, but center section of P Deck should be pushed together to replace the center corridor. Otherwise, to get to the port turbolift tube, the car must travel down to T deck before it can get back over to the starboard side of the ship and back on the main line.

Some of the turbolifts are over done. Do they really need so many stops.
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Old November 10 2010, 02:42 AM   #415
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http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars...ns-sheet-8.jpg

I'm not certain if these are the plans you were using, but center section of P Deck should be pushed together to replace the center corridor. Otherwise, to get to the port turbolift tube, the car must travel down to T deck before it can get back over to the starboard side of the ship and back on the main line.

Some of the turbolifts are over done. Do they really need so many stops.
Another Problem with the Strategic Design plans is that they show only one sickbay complex (14 beds, but in twok the bed sections were numbered, and seem to go to 28).



The easiest way to fix this is to shuffle some stuff around and lose two transporter rooms:

Copy the red sickbay to over the pink yellow and red circles (with the copied transporter room going over the red circled one) and moving the two yellow circled labs to replace the two purple transporter rooms and adjusting the sizes a bit so all four labs are slightly smaller but you have the two sickbays (which makes sense for a crew of 500) and it still leaves 3 transporter rooms on that deck. The new sickbay would be the primary one (beds 1-14) since it has a transporter room on either side and means the old sickbay is the one, with the far left side being the one seen in the screen shot.



The other problem they also have the Senior officer quarters on deck 4 and normal officers on deck 5, but TMP showed CAPTAIN Kirks quarters on deck 5 and in TWOK ADMIRAL Kirks were on Deck 4 (which makes sense, since he was a guest so VIP Quarters in TWOK but in Command in TMP so Senior Officer Quarters).

This can be easily fixed by making some deck 5 quarters for senior officers, continue doing so for the other ranks until you get to the enlisted ranks, and then changing the junior most enlisted quarters into the 9 person bunk rooms seen in TUC.
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Old November 10 2010, 01:37 PM   #416
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Wow we haven't heard from him since May. I hope he's okay.
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Old November 10 2010, 01:42 PM   #417
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Yeah - I miss him
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Old November 10 2010, 07:56 PM   #418
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I'm glad this thread resurfaced and was hoping for an update. Now I'm kind of concerned too.
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Old November 11 2010, 02:08 AM   #419
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I'm alive, but buried under work (after spending a month overseas). Maybe someday I'll get back to this project..... Winter seems to be a good time for such.
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Old November 11 2010, 03:26 AM   #420
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(whew)
I thought something had happened to you. I was about to send a PM.
No hurries...
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