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Old July 5 2010, 10:12 AM   #106
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Re: What would a half-Andorian, half-Vulcan child look like?

Just because Therin wants to mate with human females doesn't make it right...

Actually, that is a whole other can of worms. There is no reason why consenting members of different species shouldn't 'interact'. If they want children, they should adopt... like Madonna! Sarek and Amanda should have adopted a cute Mugato baby. You can't tell me that wouldn't have loads of story potential... sort of like having the Warner Brother's Tasmanian Devil at the science station.

Babylon 5 had a better approach, with the Centauri appearing human but having completely different sex organs and Delenn requiring genetic alteration to make her compatible with a human.

They almost blew it in the pilot episode though, when G'Kar pervs all over Lyta Alexander, hoping to impregnate her naturally.
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Old July 5 2010, 04:56 PM   #107
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StarryEyed said: The Chase was a nice effort to try to justify the mess but it fails miserably. All humanoids are NOT of the same genus; evolution does not work that way. Even if it did, creatures with dramatically different physiology like Andorians and Vulcans could still not produce natural offspring. How many times does it have to be pointed out that Humans and Gorillas are almost genetically identical and still can cannot breed?


I felt the whole point of The Chase is that the separate humanoids did not evolve naturally but were seeded b the Ancient Progenitors. So 'that's not how evolution works' is a moot point in my humble opinion.

StarryEyed also said: Click the link above to learn what a circular argument really is. The jist is that you start with an unsupported claim you present as a fact and use it justify another claim which in turn is supported by the original claim.

Example:

The Christian God is real because it says so in the Bible.

The Bible is true because it is the word of God.

TiberiusMaximus, did you miss all the explanations as to WHY it is not possible for two creatures with radically different physiologies to produce natural offspring?

You need to go back and reread the thread. There is no circular argument here. Biology is plenty well enough understood to know that hybrids are only possible among extremely close species - and that is between species with identical body chemistry. Imagine the absurdity of hybrids between species with different blood chemistry, different blood pressures, different body temperatures - on top of morphological differences and organs in different locations.
As for 'circular logic'...okay, so this post is not circular logic but it is going around in a circle. Some say 'it's not possible'. Others, like me, say, 'I hear you, but it happens in Trek. So in-universe it's possible.' It's like warp drive...do you honestly think it's possible? Or tachyon pulses? Or wormholes? Or non-linear aliens?
The Trek universe has millions of story possibilities. Some of the above concepts are necessary for some of those stories, and hybrids create many story opportunities too.
And after this, some of the people who disagree will still say, 'you're not listening. Hybridisation between two humanoid species is impossible.'
My point has been all along that most of Star Trek is impossible. If you can't suspend your disbelief to the point where you accept hybrids, that's fine by me. To each their own. But like I said before, there are levels of disbelief waiting to be suspended, and that is the basis of this discussion - or rather, the disagreement in this discussion. I have not missed the explanations as to why it's 'impossible', have you missed the fact that it happens in Trek? I choose to believe the Ancient Progenitors programmed that ability into their descendants/experiments, but I can see we'll have to agree to disagree. Again, to each their own. I don't feel like arguing anymore or turning this into an angry discussion, so I'll leave it at that. Have a nice day.
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Old July 5 2010, 10:47 PM   #108
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Re: What would a half-Andorian, half-Vulcan child look like?

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How many times does it have to be pointed out that Humans and Gorillas are almost genetically identical and still can cannot breed?
Has anyone actually tried it?

Wait, don't answer that.
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Old July 6 2010, 08:25 PM   #109
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Myasishchev wrote:
(In the future, homosexuality has long since been cured by neural neutralizer, I suppose.)
I'm sorry, but there was never anything to cure. It's not a disease. I believe that in the future, homosexuality is accepted. Just as all races, genders, and religions are accepted, so too will someone's sexuality, no matter what it may be.
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Old July 6 2010, 08:43 PM   #110
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Myasishchev wrote:
(In the future, homosexuality has long since been cured by neural neutralizer, I suppose.)
I'm sorry, but there was never anything to cure. It's not a disease. I believe that in the future, homosexuality is accepted. Just as all races, genders, and religions are accepted, so too will someone's sexuality, no matter what it may be.
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Old July 7 2010, 11:52 AM   #111
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Good thing you used spoiler tags, you might have ruined the surprise.

Sal'ira, I know your heart's in the right place, but there is no great importance in being so earnest. *Literary rimshot*
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Old July 7 2010, 12:40 PM   #112
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Sal'ira wrote: View Post
Myasishchev wrote:
(In the future, homosexuality has long since been cured by neural neutralizer, I suppose.)
I'm sorry, but there was never anything to cure. It's not a disease. I believe that in the future, homosexuality is accepted. Just as all races, genders, and religions are accepted, so too will someone's sexuality, no matter what it may be.
Do they also have a cure for robosexuality?
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Old July 7 2010, 11:17 PM   #113
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Ah, sarcasm. I have a hard time knowing when people are being sarcastic and when they're being serious. I apologize.
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Old July 7 2010, 11:23 PM   #114
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Ah, sarcasm. I have a hard time knowing when people are being sarcastic and when they're being serious. I apologize.
Well, I wouldn't blame you - there are certainly people who actually do think of homosexuality as a disease... it's not always easy if you're not already familiar with the poster and their views... The opposite sometimes happens to me, I assume that a poster is joking since they couldn't seriously mean something ignorant they wrote, but they turn out to be dead serious.
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Old July 8 2010, 09:08 AM   #115
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Ah, sarcasm. I have a hard time knowing when people are being sarcastic and when they're being serious. I apologize.
Well, I wouldn't blame you - there are certainly people who actually do think of homosexuality as a disease... it's not always easy if you're not already familiar with the poster and their views... The opposite sometimes happens to me, I assume that a poster is joking since they couldn't seriously mean something ignorant they wrote, but they turn out to be dead serious.
Of course I was being dead serious. Robosexuality is a serious condition. Rust can really chafe too.
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Old July 8 2010, 12:12 PM   #116
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This question has been bothering me for quite some time. I want to know what the voices not in my head think of my question. An Andorian/Vulcan child? What do you think it would look like?

Sorta like this
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Old July 9 2010, 03:59 AM   #117
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Re: What would a half-Andorian, half-Vulcan child look like?

What would an Orion/Andorian hybrid look like, aqua perhaps.

Anyway you can have any number of hybrids because that archaeology alien left a recording to say how they were all seeded from the same species.
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Old July 9 2010, 06:30 AM   #118
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What would an Orion/Andorian hybrid look like, aqua perhaps.

Anyway you can have any number of hybrids because that archaeology alien left a recording to say how they were all seeded from the same species.
No, that doesn't even come close to cutting it. As I have repeated several times (though some feel justified to ignore it), evolution does not work that way. No species evolves in a vacuum. The evolution of all species is directed by their environment and their relationship to other species. You can't throw DNA strands into the primordial soup of disparate worlds and predict the outcome - unless you can see the future. Even if you could do that, it would still be impossible for species with radically different physiologies like Vulcans and Andorians to produce natural offspring - regardless of common origins.
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Sorta like this
Finally, an objective, scientifically aware answer. I'm glad SOMEONE could get to the bottom of this damn question.

So, case closed.

Moving on: how much auxiliary transponders could a teryon phaser nuetralize if a teryon phaser could nuetralize auxiliary transponders?

Starryeyed, care to begin the discussion?
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Old July 9 2010, 08:58 AM   #120
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Sorta like this
Finally, an objective, scientifically aware answer. I'm glad SOMEONE could get to the bottom of this damn question.

So, case closed.

Moving on: how much auxiliary transponders could a teryon phaser nuetralize if a teryon phaser could nuetralize auxiliary transponders?

Starryeyed, care to begin the discussion?
9.475.

Next question?
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