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Old July 2 2010, 04:03 AM   #46
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The whole fucking SWT were Inuit except for stupid Katara and Sokka and gran gran. I dont care if you switch the tribes ethnicity but damn that was blatant. However the whole NWT were russian. If your going to cast caucasian then why weren't the SWT Russian? The Earth kingdom was all asian, but since they cut out Suki we don't see many non background earth kingdom. Air benders were mixed race all around. Gyotsi was Indian. The whole thing is just a Tragedy on many levels. The saddest thing in the move was when at the end it said Executive produced byMichael Dante Dimartino and Bryan Konitzeko. They should not be anywhere near this thing. This is all M knights fault.

Now I need to go watch the Siege of the Northern water tribe. My wife wants to know why Sokka didnt try to stop Yueh.

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Old July 2 2010, 04:06 AM   #47
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If they would have focused more on Zuko in the film and did not jump around so much, I could have given it a D+ instead of an F+ (yes failure can have an upside, Zuko and Iroh). If they would have included June and the fight at the perfume nunnery it would have been epic. I was also pissed that they cut the Zuko/Zhao Agni Kai. But I am just repeating myself there.

However I do love the little hints like when Kanna mentioned Hama.
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Old July 2 2010, 07:40 AM   #48
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They tried to jam WAY to much story into 2 hours. This was more like the highlights of a movie than an actual movie. We're told lots of stuff but shown little. The characters were band and uninteresting with virtually no personality to speak of.

And the interpretive dance the benders had to do to use their powers was ridiculous.

Pretty much a failure on every level.
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Old July 2 2010, 11:59 AM   #49
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Haven't seen this yet but from the reactions and reviews I've seen there doesn't appear to be any point. Oh and I totally called it.

If the box office mirrors the critical ratings then this movie franchise will be going the way of 'The Golden Compass'. A shame because in the right hands the material is more than sufficient to produce something special. The real shame however is that this film's failure may hinder any further animated projects. The suits are a simple minded bunch and they're more likely to interpret the poor performance at the box office as a fault with the brand rather than the product itself.
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Old July 2 2010, 01:27 PM   #50
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Air benders were mixed race all around. Gyotsi was Indian.
If you mean Monk Gyatso, he was actually played by African-American actor Damon Gupton.


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The real shame however is that this film's failure may hinder any further animated projects. The suits are a simple minded bunch and they're more likely to interpret the poor performance at the box office as a fault with the brand rather than the product itself.
I think Nickelodeon is well aware of how successful the animated series has been for them. And Hollywood tends to treat animation and live-action as separate beasts; for instance, Warner Bros. has long had an embargo on live-action depictions of Batman on TV for fear of conflict with the Batman film series, but that hasn't precluded the continuing use of Batman in animated shows and DVD movies.

And given Shyamalan's reputation these days, I wouldn't be surprised if this were interpreted more as a case of a poor choice of director sabotaging a promising franchise than as a case of the franchise itself being unviable. (And again I have to wonder why anyone thought MNS was the right choice for this project in the first place.)
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Old July 2 2010, 02:18 PM   #51
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This thread makes me sad. Looks like it's definitely TS3 for me and the wife this weekend, I'm going to have to convince her that we don't want to waste money on this. We were greatly looking forward to it as well.

How did Appa and Momo turn out?
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Old July 2 2010, 04:45 PM   #52
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Yeah, Ebert's definitely a bit on the insane side. I rarely pay any attention to his movie reviews.
Paying attention to Ebert has saved me an insane amount of money and time that would otherwise have been completely wasted on trash.
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Old July 2 2010, 06:18 PM   #53
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Yeah, Ebert's definitely a bit on the insane side. I rarely pay any attention to his movie reviews.
Paying attention to Ebert has saved me an insane amount of money and time that would otherwise have been completely wasted on trash.
Ahh, but consider the logic of that. If you didn't see the movies, you don't actually know if they were trash. For all you know, paying attention to Ebert may have cheated you out of seeing movies you would've found wonderful.

Just because someone's able to convince a publisher to pay them for expressing their opinions, that doesn't mean their opinions are any truer than anyone else's.
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Old July 2 2010, 06:52 PM   #54
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i'm disapointed by the news that this may suck. i was going to see it because i like the cartoon... now i am going because i want to see a train wreck.
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Old July 2 2010, 11:57 PM   #55
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Christopher wrote: View Post
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Yeah, Ebert's definitely a bit on the insane side. I rarely pay any attention to his movie reviews.
Paying attention to Ebert has saved me an insane amount of money and time that would otherwise have been completely wasted on trash.
Ahh, but consider the logic of that. If you didn't see the movies, you don't actually know if they were trash. For all you know, paying attention to Ebert may have cheated you out of seeing movies you would've found wonderful.

Just because someone's able to convince a publisher to pay them for expressing their opinions, that doesn't mean their opinions are any truer than anyone else's.
But it's not that hard to get a feel for the preferences of individual critics, and if their tastes are similar to your own then it makes sense to give credence to their criticism. I certainly don't always agree with Ebert but I can usually tell based on his reviews whether or not I will like something. Even when he dislikes something, the way he describes what aspects disappointed him tells me whether I might still enjoy it.

Yeah, a review made up of nothing more than "this movie is trash" isn't going to tell you much. A thoughtful review that points out a movie's strengths and flaws, however, is a useful resource in deciding whether or not to see a particular film. I also find a well-done review to be a nice complement to any film, good or bad.
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Old July 3 2010, 12:10 AM   #56
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But it's not that hard to get a feel for the preferences of individual critics, and if their tastes are similar to your own then it makes sense to give credence to their criticism. I certainly don't always agree with Ebert but I can usually tell based on his reviews whether or not I will like something. Even when he dislikes something, the way he describes what aspects disappointed him tells me whether I might still enjoy it.
That's why I dislike Ebert. He does do a good job with his reviews, but his tastes in movies is almost the complete opposite of mine. I get nothing from his reviews.

In other news, The Last Airbender pulled in $16.5 million on Thursday.
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Old July 3 2010, 12:50 AM   #57
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If I've been looking forward to a movie for two years, I'm going to see it, especially if it's part of a franchise I've been a long-time fan of. I wouldn't suddenly change my mind on opening day just because some guy in the paper didn't like it.

Anyway, I saw The Last Airbender and I didn't think it was the abysmal piece of garbage that the reviews made it out to be, but I do agree that it wasn't up to snuff and that it could have been better. If you're an Avatar fan, it's still worth checking out.

The Bad
- Overall, it wasn't as good as the animated series.
- The story felt rushed and a lot was glossed over, especially during the first half. I can let this go a little though because they had to cram a season's worth of material into two hours, but it's still there and still a problem.
- The fun, charm and overall spirit of the animated series wasn't there.
- The dialog was pretty stiff and stilted.
- We didn't get to know or care about a number of the characters the way we did with the series. Again, probably due to having to cram everything in.
- Sokka wasn't the fun jovial character we knew from the series.
- Katara was passable but I prefer her animated counterpart.
- Wasn't impressed with Fire Lord Ozai.

The Good
- It was nice to finally see a live-action version of Avatar, and the world they created looked fantastic.
- Appa and Momo were just like their series counterparts, only with real fur. The only problem with them is that we didn't see much of their fun little antics. Once again, time constraints.
- Noah Ringer is Aang. Actually, he's "Ong". Nevermind. Anyway, he captured the part and played it to perfection.
- The martial arts choreography as well as the element bending were eye-popping and quite impressive.
- I had my doubts about Shaun Toub as Uncle Iroh, but he played the part quite well.
- I really liked seeing the "Water! Earth! Fire! Air!" opening sequence from the cartoon done in live-action (it didn't have Katara's followup "Long ago..." narration though). It was a nice touch.
- Loved seeing Azula at the end.

The Ugly
Right now, there's the possibility that we may not get to see more installments and I do want to see this continue. I want to see Ba Sing Se, the drill, Toph, more Azula, more Iroh, the Kyoshi warriors, all in live-action. They should have shot all the movies at once.

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The story takes place in the future, after Man has devastated the planet and survives in the form of beings with magical powers allowing them to influence earth, water and fire. These warring factions are held in uneasy harmony by the Avatar, but the Avatar has disappeared, and Earth lives in a state of constant turmoil caused by the warlike Firebenders.
Has he been corrected on his mistake yet?
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Old July 3 2010, 01:06 AM   #58
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^^ Does anyone care? So he got the plot a tad garbled. Does that mean he was wrong about the film's quality?
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Old July 3 2010, 01:08 AM   #59
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In other news, The Last Airbender pulled in $16.5 million on Thursday.
Is that good or bad?
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Old July 3 2010, 01:11 AM   #60
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In other news, The Last Airbender pulled in $16.5 million on Thursday.
Is that good or bad?
I think it's kind of bad (it would be good for a regular Thursday, but in this case it's the premiere date, not between weekends), compared to what the film cost (particularly given that the word-of-mouth on this looks to be dreadful).
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