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Doctor Who "Bigger on the inside..."

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Old June 30 2010, 05:26 AM   #256
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Re: 5x10 Vincent and the Doctor (Grading/Discussion) SPOILERS!!

I've said this before (on io9) and I'll say it again.

Vincent and the Doctor is the best episode not only of season 5, but of the entire revival. I can't speak for the old series because I've only seen the Genesis of the Daleks, but I seriously doubt anything could top it. I mean it ranks above almost every single episode of all three Stargate series, all five Star Trek series, and every piece of Star Wars to flow down the tube in my book.
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Old June 30 2010, 06:18 AM   #257
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I've said this before (on io9) and I'll say it again.

Vincent and the Doctor is the best episode not only of season 5, but of the entire revival. I can't speak for the old series because I've only seen the Genesis of the Daleks, but I seriously doubt anything could top it. I mean it ranks above almost every single episode of all three Stargate series, all five Star Trek series, and every piece of Star Wars to flow down the tube in my book.
Hmm. I don't know. Personally, I still think "Human Nature"/"The Family of Blood" beats it. And my personal favorite remains "The Girl in the Fireplace." But we're pretty much comparing one form of perfection to another at this point.
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Old June 30 2010, 03:07 PM   #258
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I have never understood the love for the Girl in the Fireplace. Never.

The scene of Vincent in the museum is worth more than the whole of GitF.

Well, that's my opinion. I know I'm in the minority on that one.

Mind you, while I rate V&tD highly, I dunno, there's a couple of good TNG eps in s5 and 6. But it's definitely one of, if not the, best Who eps.
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Old June 30 2010, 05:37 PM   #259
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I have never understood the love for the Girl in the Fireplace. Never.

The scene of Vincent in the museum is worth more than the whole of GitF.

Well, that's my opinion. I know I'm in the minority on that one.
Hah, nope, you're not alone in that opinion. I didn't like GitF either. I also didn't like the Family of Blood two-parter, which also seems to be universally loved around here.
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Old June 30 2010, 05:45 PM   #260
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Hah, nope, you're not alone in that opinion. I didn't like GitF either. I also didn't like the Family of Blood two-parter, which also seems to be universally loved around here.
That might be a good topic for a different thread, if it hasn't been covered recently: episodes with near universal acclaim, which you personally (the poster, not necessarily you, DAK) don't care for. It's a pretty standard topic but can generate good discussion if handled properly.
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I have never understood the love for the Girl in the Fireplace. Never.

It's great.

Hope that helps.
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Old July 1 2010, 01:21 AM   #262
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I have never understood the love for the Girl in the Fireplace. Never.
I think the story of a man who is deeply isolated because he just doesn't know how to have a relationship, who then encounters a woman who gets to know him incredibly intimately without him meaning to let her into his heart, is deeply moving. As is, for that matter, the way he loses her at the end.

Mind you, while I rate V&tD highly, I dunno, there's a couple of good TNG eps in s5 and 6. But it's definitely one of, if not the, best Who eps.
I can't think of a single episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation that is as well-written and well-acted as "Vincent and the Doctor." The characters on TNG are far too shallow and two-dimensional to even compare.
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Old July 1 2010, 12:05 PM   #263
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And that might be a good topic for discussion elsewhere too.
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Old July 3 2010, 05:09 AM   #264
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Vincent And The Doctor is probably in my top five of the nuWho revival. Girl In The Fireplace, Family of Blood/Human Nature, and Blink have to be up there as well.

As for TNG vs Who, well, they're very different shows. Both have their extraordinary and not so great episodes. Indeed, TNG season five did have its share of phenomenal episodes (I'd put The Inner Light in the same category as V&TD.)
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Old July 3 2010, 06:03 AM   #265
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Vincent And The Doctor is probably in my top five of the nuWho revival. Girl In The Fireplace, Family of Blood/Human Nature, and Blink have to be up there as well.

As for TNG vs Who, well, they're very different shows. Both have their extraordinary and not so great episodes. Indeed, TNG season five did have its share of phenomenal episodes (I'd put The Inner Light in the same category as V&TD.)
I'd put "Tapestry" up there too. And quite a few others.

Good episode, this one.
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Old July 3 2010, 02:18 PM   #266
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I absolutely loved this episode, more so because it didn't have a feel-good ending to it.

Though it's taken me awhile, Iíve really started to appreciate Matt Smithís Doctor. I love his quirky, self-narrating idiosyncrasies, and his awkwardness thatís so different from the confident swagger of Tennantís character.

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I can't think of a single episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation that is as well-written and well-acted as "Vincent and the Doctor." The characters on TNG are far too shallow and two-dimensional to even compare.
That I've got to take exception with. Family and The Inner Light come to mind as excellent, character and emotion driven episodes of TNG.
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I always like how the very best episodes of tNG have nothing to do with the premise of tNG.
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I always like how the very best episodes of tNG have nothing to do with the premise of tNG.
Absolutely true. When the show stays away from quantum signatures and sticks to the universals, it's at its best.
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I always like how the very best episodes of tNG have nothing to do with the premise of tNG.
Absolutely true. When the show stays away from quantum signatures and sticks to the universals, it's at its best.
Nah. I'd say it's an even spread between the episodes based around its premise and the universals. On the one hand, Best of Both Worlds, All Good Things, Chain of Command, and Yesterday's Enterprise very much have to do with the scenario around which the show is based. At the same time, Frame of Mind, Tapestry, and The Inner Light needn't be TNG stories. TNG was just a great show I think.
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