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Old June 22 2010, 11:51 PM   #31
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Re: Is a Hollywood liberal conspiracy keeping 'Red Dawn' from release?

You guys are putting way too much thought into this. It's Red Dawn, for crying out loud.
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Old June 23 2010, 12:04 AM   #32
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Re: Is a Hollywood liberal conspiracy keeping 'Red Dawn' from release?

Actually, whoever put together the conspiracy the Red Dawn remake is being foiled by a liberal agenda has put too much thought into it.
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Old June 23 2010, 12:07 AM   #33
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Re: Is a Hollywood liberal conspiracy keeping 'Red Dawn' from release?

Why would the liberals care so much to block a comedy like Red Dawn?
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Old June 23 2010, 12:44 AM   #34
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Re: Is a Hollywood liberal conspiracy keeping 'Red Dawn' from release?

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If the filmmaker wanted, they should make a version of Red Dawn that's all about a Second Civil War that launched by the Red States-and call that 'Red Dawn'. That's more likely to happen then anything else.
What fucking nonsense that is. I live in a red state and there's certainly no attitude that we're going to rebel and put all the po' widdle blue states to the sword. Jesus what fucking paranoia!
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Old June 23 2010, 12:48 AM   #35
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Re: Is a Hollywood liberal conspiracy keeping 'Red Dawn' from release?

It's certainly more plausible than a Chinese invasion.
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Old June 23 2010, 12:48 AM   #36
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Re: Is a Hollywood liberal conspiracy keeping 'Red Dawn' from release?

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Hollywood is run by businessmen. Who are rich. And therefore mostly conservative.
With respect, Chris--I beg to differ on that. You'd be suprised how many super-rich are on the left. George Soros, for one.

And who care more about the bottom line than politics in any case, and generally won't care what message a film sends as long as it makes them richer. The whole "Hollywood run by liberals" thing is just another right-wing boogeyman.
And yet movie after movie with a left-leaning message somehow gets the Academies and Golden Globes, despite terrible showings at the box office.

Sure, there are plenty of celebrities in Hollywood who are liberal (and we've got to outgrow this childish notion that that's a bad word), but there are plenty of others who are conservative, and in either case it's a mistake to confuse celebrity with power or authority.
Not that big a mistake. Marketing and PR tend to be central elements of power.

Also, celebrities are mostly rich. By your previous argument, they must therefore be mostly conservative...?


Now...I don't think for a MOMENT that it's a conspiracy. Just a current, long-lasting, increasingly irritating trend.

The Dark Knight and The Pursuit of Happines are two great moves that indicate that it isn't any conspiracy. Hollywood's finally getting more balanced--because it realizes the box office demands it. The trend is changing.
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Old June 23 2010, 01:30 AM   #37
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Re: Is a Hollywood liberal conspiracy keeping 'Red Dawn' from release?

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And yet movie after movie with a left-leaning message somehow gets the Academies and Golden Globes, despite terrible showings at the box office.
Box office earnings do not equal quality.

The Dark Knight and The Pursuit of Happines are two great moves that indicate that it isn't any conspiracy. Hollywood's finally getting more balanced--because it realizes the box office demands it. The trend is changing.
The Dark Knight is not a conservative film. This comes from the director's mouth.
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Old June 23 2010, 02:03 AM   #38
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And yet movie after movie with a left-leaning message somehow gets the Academies and Golden Globes, despite terrible showings at the box office.
Box office earnings do not equal quality.
Seriously, how often does the box office smash win the major awards? Best Picture last year went to the Hurt Locker, which beat out the current Box Office champ Avatar.
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Old June 23 2010, 02:18 AM   #39
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Commercial films don't need awards, the receipts alone say everything that needs to be said. Or, if you're unusually discerning, you could factor production/marketing costs in there too and use profit - perhaps even proportional profit for the truly avant-garde - rather than revenue as an indicator of worth. Instead of whining about awards being given to less than commercially spectacular films, real Americans should scorn such structures entirely and embrace the dollar as the only meaningful metric of worth.
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Old June 23 2010, 03:25 AM   #40
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Re: Is a Hollywood liberal conspiracy keeping 'Red Dawn' from release?

I was hoping that it was just being held back because it's a ridiculously dumb idea for a movie.
Yes indeedy, Hollywood never makes movies based on ridiculously dumb ideas.

I wish they'd make more dumbshit right-wing wish fulfillment movies. It's a change from all the dumbshit left-wing wish fulfillment movies they churn out.

Suspension of disbelief doesn't come in to it here, unless the Chinese armed forces have access to magical wizards who can transport their troops in to the United States because their Navy certainly isn't up to the job.

You see, invading the United States would involve somehow getting past their navy - which is larger than the next thirteen navies combined - and having enough ships left afterwards to land the troops (which would have to number in the millions), equipment and supplies necessary to successfully invade a country of 260m people where civilian gun ownership is common.
Yeah yeah yeah, well, then the commie hippie terrorists will have to be from outer space.

And it's 300M. Half with guns. Don't make that mistake again.
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Old June 23 2010, 03:33 AM   #41
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If the filmmaker wanted, they should make a version of Red Dawn that's all about a Second Civil War that launched by the Red States-and call that 'Red Dawn'. That's more likely to happen then anything else.
What fucking nonsense that is. I live in a red state and there's certainly no attitude that we're going to rebel and put all the po' widdle blue states to the sword. Jesus what fucking paranoia!
He's a furriner. Probably taking the news bites about psycho teabaggers way too seriously. Funny how the media can just distort the hell out of everything, huh? Just goes to show, if you haven't experienced it directly, you can't trust what you think you know about anything.
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Old June 23 2010, 04:10 AM   #42
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I just want another James Bond movie...
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Old June 23 2010, 04:48 AM   #43
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I just want another James Bond movie...
You'll have to hope that it can be released by 20th Century Fox, or that News Corporation buys MGM (20th Century Fox already owns the video distribution rights to MGM/UA movies & TV shows as it is.)

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Old June 23 2010, 04:57 AM   #44
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Re: Is a Hollywood liberal conspiracy keeping 'Red Dawn' from release?

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or that News Corporation buys MGM (they already own the video distribution rights to MGM/UA movies & TV shows as it is.)
So can we at least hope that the rest of the existing Bond films make it to Blu-Ray?
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Old June 23 2010, 05:00 AM   #45
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I was hoping that it was just being held back because it's a ridiculously dumb idea for a movie.

Suspension of disbelief doesn't come in to it here, unless the Chinese armed forces have access to magical wizards who can transport their troops in to the United States because their Navy certainly isn't up to the job.

You see, invading the United States would involve somehow getting past their navy - which is larger than the next thirteen navies combined - and having enough ships left afterwards to land the troops (which would have to number in the millions), equipment and supplies necessary to successfully invade a country of 260m people where civilian gun ownership is common.
310 million people mister. :-p

Plus why would China invade us? We buy all their shit, if they invaded us they would destroy their market.
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