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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

View Poll Results: Who was the best Saavik?
Kirstie Alley 66 80.49%
Robin Curtis 16 19.51%
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Old June 9 2010, 03:09 AM   #16
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Re: The best Saavik?

I voted for Robin Curtis. When ever I read or hear the name Lt. Saavik, I think of Robin's Lt. Saavik. To me, Robin will always be Saavik. Even though Robin may have played Saavik more Vulcan-like, to me, Saavik is still half-Romulan. Maybe between the end of The Wrath Of Khan and the beginning of The Search For Spock, Saavik learned how to control her Romulan half the way Mr. Spock does his human half. I know, Spock's human half has showed itself a few times. 2 times I can think of are in Star Trek 5, the movie William Shatner directed. First was around the campfire towards the beginning when Spock tried McCoy's bean with Bourbon in them. The way Spock said "Mmm. Surprisingly good." sounded very Human, to me. The other was towards the end when Spock, on the bridge of the Enterprise, says to Klingon General Kordd "Damn you, sir." Spock definitely showed some anger and, for a Vulcan, he sounded pretty angry. Well, anyway, like I've done said somewhere in this post: Robin Curtis will always be Saavik, to me.
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Old June 9 2010, 03:49 AM   #17
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Re: The best Saavik?

Kirstie Alley, by a long shot. Cuter and just put more "emotion" into the role, which sounds odd but it seemed to fit better than Curtis' take on Vulcan which was just oddly stolid something patterned after with T'Pol.
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Old June 9 2010, 03:52 AM   #18
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Re: The best Saavik?

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To me, Robin will always be Saavik.
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Old June 9 2010, 04:07 AM   #19
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Re: The best Saavik?

Kirstie Alley created a fascinating new character in a familiar (if beloved) universe. From what I remember, she made quite an impact even on people who were not regular Trek fans: she looked and acted the part so beautifully. It was a great letdown to find her missing from the next movie, and to have the character played by someone who seemed to be just a generic Vulcan. It should never have been recast.
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Old June 9 2010, 04:13 AM   #20
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To me, Robin will always be Saavik.
I'll gladly add another to that!

Robin Curtis by a long, long, long, long shot!

I never cared for the half-Romulan concept for the character. It always struck me as TPTB simply wanting another charcter like Spock. Whereas Spock was half-Human/half-Vulcan, Saavik was half-Romulan/half-Vulcan.

A full Vulcan can be a very interesting character, as they showed with Curtis' Saavik, Russ' Tuvok, and Blalock's T'Pol.

The fact that Alley's Saavik was much more emotional than Curtis' can be explained (as has been done in this thread) by saying that she was simply a young Vulcan still working on her emotional control - Vulcans do have emotions after all, they just keep them repressed as best as they can.

And then there's the fact that I think Robin Curtis is much more attractive than Kirstie Alley. She was one of my earliest crushes. For that alone, she's always be the best in my eyes.
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Old June 9 2010, 04:21 AM   #21
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Kirstie Alley created a fascinating new character
LOL, she had a big chest & nice hair.
She was killing Hollywood time until her Cheers break.
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Old June 9 2010, 04:42 AM   #22
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Naw, it was the eyes.

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...she had a big chest & nice hair.
Although there is something oddly latent about a generously endowed Vulcan.
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Old June 9 2010, 03:59 PM   #23
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Kirstie Alley created a fascinating new character in a familiar (if beloved) universe. From what I remember, she made quite an impact even on people who were not regular Trek fans: she looked and acted the part so beautifully. It was a great letdown to find her missing from the next movie, and to have the character played by someone who seemed to be just a generic Vulcan. It should never have been recast.
Absolutely Right(TM).

Alley asked for quite a bit of money to do ST III - a bit of a deliberate deal-breaker: the other actors made the work experience so unpleasant on TWOK that either she was going to get paid an awful lot to repeat it, or she wasn't gonna do it. Frankly, her failure to play Saavik again was scarcely a huge missed opportunity or a blow to the career that she actually has managed - where's Robin Curtis these days?
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Old June 9 2010, 05:21 PM   #24
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To me, Robin will always be Saavik.
I'll gladly add another to that!
How can this be the case when Kirstie Alley was the first to be the character? Setting aside acting ability, looks, takes on the character, whatever, Kirstie was first.

This logic makes about as much sense as "Chris Pine will always be Krik because he's better looking and not an emoting ham like Shatner! "
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Old June 9 2010, 05:26 PM   #25
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where's Robin Curtis these days?
About as washed up as Kristie Alley.
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Old June 9 2010, 05:58 PM   #26
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I have to admit: I kind of wish they hadn't changed Saavik to Valeris for ST VI. Having Saavik betray Kirk would have been more more dramatic and tragic than some brand new character we had no connection to.
I agree. Gene Rodenberry was wrong to over rule Nick Myers. It was Myers who came up with the character after all.
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Old June 9 2010, 06:18 PM   #27
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How can this be the case when Kirstie Alley was the first to be the character? Setting aside acting ability, looks, takes on the character, whatever, Kirstie was first.
WHAT IF it had not been Kirstie Alley, but, oh, say, Rosie O'Donnell? You would still say that she'd be your choice for best Saavik merely because she'd been the first?
You logic is in question here, I think.
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Old June 9 2010, 06:19 PM   #28
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where's Robin Curtis these days?
About as washed up as Kristie[sic] Alley.
A good deal more so, in fact, since Alley went on to have a successful television career and is still well-known. Curtis...not so much.

In fact, can one even describe Curtis as "washed up?" It's like Shatner sang - "it's better to be a has-been than a never-was"...Curtis is closer to the latter.

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Old June 9 2010, 07:40 PM   #29
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I'll gladly add another to that!
How can this be the case when Kirstie Alley was the first to be the character? Setting aside acting ability, looks, takes on the character, whatever, Kirstie was first.

This logic makes about as much sense as "Chris Pine will always be Krik because he's better looking and not an emoting ham like Shatner! "
I just like the way Curtis portrayed the character better.

Just because someone was first in a role, doesn't necessarily mean they're the best. I think Dirk Benedict did the best job as Faceman in The A-Team, but he was the second person to play the role. I also liked the second Becky in Roseanne better than the first.
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Old June 9 2010, 08:05 PM   #30
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IIRC, Saavik in the DC Trek comics continued to be Alley even after ST III.
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