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Doctor Who "Bigger on the inside..."

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Old June 6 2010, 03:42 PM   #91
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Re: 5x10 Vincent and the Doctor (Grading/Discussion) SPOILERS!!

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Something very important about this episode, the Doctor is able to fly the TARDIS to the exact point in time and space he wanted. A sign for sure that he has gained greater control over the TARDIS as the years have gone by.
The Doctor has always had the ability to do so.

Any time he's been unable, whether stated on screen or not, it' because he's been working an angle.

He's been able to pilot the TARDIS with pinpoint accuracy far too many times for there to be any other explanation.
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Old June 6 2010, 03:55 PM   #92
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Re: 5x10 Vincent and the Doctor (Grading/Discussion) SPOILERS!!

Wow, people! Watch the first 30 seconds again! Something's rushing at Vincent in the wheat, and it ain't crows!

I think there's going to be a big reveal in Ep 13.
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Old June 6 2010, 03:56 PM   #93
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^There's always the opinion that the TARDIS makes choices to take him to places where he's needed too.
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Old June 6 2010, 04:07 PM   #94
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Old June 6 2010, 04:07 PM   #95
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Re: 5x10 Vincent and the Doctor (Grading/Discussion) SPOILERS!!

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Wow, people! Watch the first 30 seconds again! Something's rushing at Vincent in the wheat, and it ain't crows!

I think there's going to be a big reveal in Ep 13.
chronologically does this take place before or after the Doctor meets him? I realise that talking chronologics in a show about time travel is silly.
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Old June 6 2010, 04:42 PM   #96
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Wow, people! Watch the first 30 seconds again! Something's rushing at Vincent in the wheat, and it ain't crows!

I think there's going to be a big reveal in Ep 13.
I'm pretty sure that was supposed to be hinting at this week's monster, nothing else.
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Old June 6 2010, 05:01 PM   #97
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It was good, but not the best. Typical Curtis though, and it was fab but it had its flaws.

Usual monster of the week, Doctor digs out something of old to find/see it with.

Although cleverly handled, making it the possible reason for Vincents documented madness, but never gave a reason as to why only he could see the beastie.

As is the norm with Curtis, we have brilliant character studdies and interations in circumstances that are so common place but, in the case of his Who ep its a bit other wordly, but it works.

The developing relationship bewtween Amy and Vince was a nice but unneccesary touch, especially when he picked up on the residual mourning for Rory, even though he had been un-written from time.

And the part when he painted over the sunflowers to sketch the monster was brilliant, with the doctor and Amys reaction, priceless scene.

and it had probably the best ending to an episode, with Amy wanting to save Vincent from suicide, but not succeeding, but she changes one thing, he still repaints sunflowers but with an added message to Amy, great and touching.

not sure if the visit to the museum in the future was need, Van Gogh didnt need to go to 2010 to see his fanbase, he just need a friend to believe in him, and he found that with the Doctor and Amy, but alas, it was there. The Ep couldve gone along that line of the friendship developing rather than running away from monsters.

But, saying that, it was a good delve in the psyche of one the best artists, which i studdied in art, or the world.
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Old June 6 2010, 05:15 PM   #98
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I thought that was just brilliant. The whole Van Gogh bit was just enthralling. The Doctor and Amy were great. What a sad story. I almost feel as if meeting the Doctor and Amy and the future that they showed him somehow contributed to his depression even further. Imagine how Vincent would have felt in the days and weeks and months after his incredible chance encounter with the Doctor and his beautiful assistant. He fought aliens and travelled in a Time Machine (which was impossibly bigger on the inside) and saw his work finally appreciated only to have to go back to being ridiculed, despised and lonely once again. Maybe his meeting with the Doctor had such a profound affect on him and after that he just couldn't bare to live such a mundane, unappreciated and lonely existence and he just wanted to be free.
This was my take on it when I was watching the scene in the museum - imagine going back to his life after that! That's what I loved most about that scene, actually - it was at once wonderfully fulfilling - he will be remembered, and as a genius - and horribly depressing - he will never know anything of it, never feel gratitude or acceptance. A very conflicted thing for someone to go through, I think.
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Old June 6 2010, 05:50 PM   #99
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I loved the episode but gave it a "Good" rating. I would have given it a excellent if the monster didn't look like a giant chicken
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Old June 6 2010, 05:56 PM   #100
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Re: 5x10 Vincent and the Doctor (Grading/Discussion) SPOILERS!!

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Something very important about this episode, the Doctor is able to fly the TARDIS to the exact point in time and space he wanted. A sign for sure that he has gained greater control over the TARDIS as the years have gone by.
The Doctor has always had the ability to do so.

Any time he's been unable, whether stated on screen or not, it' because he's been working an angle.

He's been able to pilot the TARDIS with pinpoint accuracy far too many times for there to be any other explanation.
Well no, in the original run he specifically states he has no control over where the TARDIS goes. This has lead to many companions getting stuck with him, and him not being able to return them home.

It is a common theory though that over time, the Doctor has gained greater control of the TARDIS, able to pin point where he wants to land, and this episode that has really come true he's able to go to the past, the future and the past again exactly when he wants to.
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Old June 6 2010, 06:07 PM   #101
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It's so odd to read complaints of how "slow" or "boring" it was...as if you were shown nothing but paint drying for the entire episode!

I loved it personally. Easily my favorite episode of this series. I came in with really low expectations, but was blown away by the strength of it.

I need to make a mental note of who the director was for this episode, because it was filmed beautifully. Everything from outside the restaurant/bar to the Amy bathed in sunflowers was gorgeous. Don't even get me started on the starry night sequence. Amazing.

And of course, the Van Gogh museum scene was emotional as all hell. I'm totally downloading that song!

The only bad thing is that next weeks episode has a lot to live up to and The Lodger looks....different.
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Old June 6 2010, 06:09 PM   #102
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I loved the episode but gave it a "Good" rating. I would have given it a excellent if the monster didn't look like a giant chicken
I see a lot of people ripping the monster design, but personally I think it's refreshing to see some of the wackier alien creatures that must be out there (and that we have plenty of on our own planet).

Not every alien monster is going to be some scary, badass looking thing.
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Although cleverly handled, making it the possible reason for Vincents documented madness, but never gave a reason as to why only he could see the beastie.
I'd say on a meta level the beastie paralleled Van Gogh's inner demons which while very real only he could "see".

Within the story itself, given the scene with Starry Night, the dialog about how deeply Van Gogh experiences colors and his ability to see a sadness within Amy, I think it could be argued that Van Gogh saw the world differently that perhaps could explain how he saw the creature.
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Old June 6 2010, 06:18 PM   #104
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It's so odd to read complaints of how "slow" or "boring" it was...as if you were shown nothing but paint drying for the entire episode!
I'd like to know the ratio between those who found it boring and only started watching the show when RTD brought it back and those who enjoyed it and were fans of classic Who beforehand.

Not having a go or anything, I'm just being curious.
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Old June 6 2010, 06:24 PM   #105
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I'd like to know the ratio between those who found it boring and only started watching the show when RTD brought it back and those who enjoyed it and were fans of classic Who beforehand.

Not having a go or anything, I'm just being curious.
I was actually wondering the same thing myself. This episode was probably the most reminiscent of classic Who since the show was brought back in '05.
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