Where did Spock go? - Page 30

Warped9 · June 4 2010, 08:21 PM

If that one scene were all there were to criticize then you could probably let it pass. But because it's just one of countless other fuckups in the film I can't overlook it.

Ronald Held · June 4 2010, 08:55 PM

isn't that indictative of the whole movie?

Warped9 · June 4 2010, 10:11 PM

Ronald Held wrote:

isn't that indictative of the whole movie?

Precisely.

Kelso · June 5 2010, 02:15 AM

Nero murdered billions of people. Kirk had the responsibility of making sure he didn't have the chance to murder anyone else, either by taking him into custody or by ensuring that he didn't survive another trip through the black hole.

I don't have any problem with it.

xortex · June 5 2010, 02:23 AM

I have no problem with it either. I didn't see the movie and I'm hoping the next one is about Khan.

Brutal Strudel · June 5 2010, 02:40 AM

Kelso wrote:

Nero murdered billions of people. Kirk had the responsibility of making sure he didn't have the chance to murder anyone else, either by taking him into custody or by ensuring that he didn't survive another trip through the black hole.

I don't have any problem with it.

Now this argument--earlier mooted by I Grok Spock--does hold water. Still, it's a preemptive killing based on the off chance that Nero will survive and a somewhat cold-blooded act.

Captain Robert April · June 5 2010, 06:15 AM

Since the Narada was coming down around Nero's ears, I think it's safe to say that he wasn't going to survive another trip through the rabbit hole.

Kirk1980 · June 5 2010, 10:06 AM

Let's just admit the scene was what it was....

A deliberate and knowing attempt to thumb their nose at what Abrams likely thought were the boring 'moralistic crap' he didn't like about TOS. I admit to pure speculation here based on Abrams stated dislike of TOS. It was an attempt to say, 'Hey, no boring morals and deeper meaning here! Dude pissed us off, dude gotta die!'

To put it in Trek perspective: THIS Kirk would have moved right to kicking Kruge into the lava pit. There would have been no attempt to save him first.

Brutal Strudel · June 5 2010, 01:59 PM

Captain Robert April wrote:

Since the Narada was coming down around Nero's ears, I think it's safe to say that he wasn't going to survive another trip through the rabbit hole.

I agree--but there was arguably a chance, so the argument is at least not patently wrong.

Kirk1980 pretty much nails it but he doesn't go far enough. The audience wants to see Nero die--we wanted to see Kruge die, too. We'd have been sorely disappointed if Nero, after killing billions, including one parent of each of our heroes, said "Yeah, okay, beam me over" and we would have been disappointed had Kruge grabbed Kirk's hand, let him dust him off and said, "Yeah, I see your point, Genesis is pretty much a bust--what's up with the Vulcan?" after killing Kirk's son. TSFS just gave us a better fig leaf under which to hide our lust for cathartic vengeance. Trek '09 could have given us the same fig leaf (see my tractor beam comment--thanks T'Girl) but didn't. A Trek '09 apologist skilled in sophistic eloquence (oh, hello there, Dennis) could say that Trek '09 was simply more honest and upfront about giving us what we want.

Captain Robert April · June 6 2010, 12:23 AM

In other words, ST09 has all the trappings of Star Trek, but none of the actual sensibilities.

Joker · June 6 2010, 10:17 AM

Captain Robert April wrote:

In other words...

Strudel's own words were fine.

June 4 2010, 08:21 PM	#436
Warped9 Admiral Location: Brockville, Ontario, Canada	Re: Where did Spock go? If that one scene were all there were to criticize then you could probably let it pass. But because it's just one of countless other fuckups in the film I can't overlook it. __________________ *STAR TREK:* 1964-1991

June 4 2010, 08:55 PM	#437
Ronald Held Rear Admiral Location: On the USS Sovereign	Re: Where did Spock go? isn't that indictative of the whole movie?

June 5 2010, 02:15 AM	#439
Kelso Vice Admiral Location: On the destruct button until the last minute!	Re: Where did Spock go? Nero murdered billions of people. Kirk had the responsibility of making sure he didn't have the chance to murder anyone else, either by taking him into custody or by ensuring that he didn't survive another trip through the black hole. I don't have any problem with it. __________________ "Murder on Tuesday"! The all-new comic strip from Kail Tescar's startrekanimated.com My Puppet Building Blog!

June 5 2010, 02:23 AM	#440
xortex Commodore Location: Staten Island, NY	Re: Where did Spock go? I have no problem with it either. I didn't see the movie and I'm hoping the next one is about Khan.

June 5 2010, 06:15 AM	#442
Captain Robert April Vice Admiral Location: In selfless service to fandom, on the road to becoming a Star Trek trivia god...	Re: Where did Spock go? Since the Narada was coming down around Nero's ears, I think it's safe to say that he wasn't going to survive another trip through the rabbit hole.

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June 5 2010, 10:06 AM	#443
Kirk1980 Fleet Captain Location: Connecticut	Re: Where did Spock go? Let's just admit the scene was what it was.... A deliberate and knowing attempt to thumb their nose at what Abrams likely thought were the boring 'moralistic crap' he didn't like about TOS. I admit to pure speculation here based on Abrams stated dislike of TOS. It was an attempt to say, 'Hey, no boring morals and deeper meaning here! Dude pissed us off, dude gotta die!' To put it in Trek perspective: THIS Kirk would have moved right to kicking Kruge into the lava pit. There would have been no attempt to save him first. __________________ Live in the Connecticut/SW Massachusetts area? Need a tutor for you or your kids? PM me! Let's see what's out there...

June 6 2010, 12:23 AM	#445
Captain Robert April Vice Admiral Location: In selfless service to fandom, on the road to becoming a Star Trek trivia god...	Re: Where did Spock go? In other words, ST09 has all the trappings of Star Trek, but none of the actual sensibilities.