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Old June 2 2010, 07:38 PM   #31
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Don't you dare leave us with just this description. You HAVE to draw this beast now.

And you know, Rassilon probably upgraded his Tardis for the time war or had a modern version built for him with even more formidable features - probably including several D-MAT guns as its primary weapons battery.
LOL.. yeah.. Let me put it to you this way, between what I got in the works, and what I have up and coming, you guys will see tons of Tardis designs.. inside and out! details and more details.. floor plans, engineering schematics, etc.. etc..

The proto-Tardis is a personal fav of mine, and the Tardis of Rassilon, the only type 7 in existence is a tough design, but it is sooo awesome! the Type -7 is a Tardis from the original early days of Gallifrey Time Lord society..







here are a couple of things to note in my take on the Early form Tardises..

I think that up till about the type-25 tardises used by the time lords, they were not grown.. think about it like this.. they developed and refined their technology over a period, of 1 billion years.. Time Lord history, and I am not including the prehistory.. cause I believe that rassilon considers the history of the Time Lords as being after they ascended to that title and stopped just being Gallifreyans..

anyways.. to me, it would seem that Tardis ships were initially constructed not grown.. and that as they developed they eventually started moving towards a more pseudo organically grown ships..probably with a coral like substance that resembles carbon nano tubes, and fibers..this is probably a discovery that allowed them to save on resources and construct ships stronger then the ones developed with metal construction..it would make sense given the dimensional and gravitational forces felt within the artificial dimension in which a Tardis rests...

anyways, Rassilon's Tardis is massive! it did not house Time War weaponry, at that time they only thought of a Tardis as a travel ship and used those ships to transport troops, tanks, and war materials.. it wasn't until the last great time war that the time lords decided to add weaponry to their ships..

Nope, a more conventional and elegant type of warfare was had by the ancient time lords of Lord President Rassilon's era..the Type 7 will not have the diamond and hexagonal pattern as the type 70 and type 40 possess..the ship had more of a domed room pattern built form metal..not grown..

if you notice the Type 70, Tardis of the Rani's class was slightly larger then the Type 40. this is because with the exception of the Type 7, most tardis development was in that scale.. it wasn't until more improved propulsion and time sceptre technology, coupled with the tessellated membranes led to a larger and more sturdy class of time ship..

the Type 91 Tardises were about the same size as the Type 70, but had smaller living quarters, and much of the extra domed rooms, were replaced by massive weaponry..

the type 100s were much smaller then most Tardises and were the final ones developed.. these sentient ships were made for war, and were controlled by a Bull tardis, which is the only ship larger then the Type 70 (the Rani's Ship), but smaller then the type 7 (Rassilon's ship).

the Type 7 tardis was referred to as the FORTRESS OF RASSILON!
The default format had massive doors, which would open and unleash an invading army of Time Lord Soldiers, and raston warrior robots, hover tanks, ground wepaonry batteries, and siege weapons, as well as time lord battle bases, which could be materialized directly from Rassilon's Fortress Tardis cargo holds.


a detailed design will follow soon enough, for now this is all I can give you guys a sneak peek of..

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Old June 3 2010, 07:14 AM   #32
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a detailed design will follow soon enough, for now this is all I can give you guys a sneak peek of..
But surely Rassilon would've had a new Tardis built for him for the time war based on his old design but with state of the art time lord technology... and why not with offensive weaponry? It would be his 'flagship' after all.

Also considering Rassilon's ego, I think it would be fitting for him to enable his Flag-Tardis to materialise in its true expanded form for intimidation purposes. (you may disagree)
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Old June 3 2010, 01:23 PM   #33
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a detailed design will follow soon enough, for now this is all I can give you guys a sneak peek of..
But surely Rassilon would've had a new Tardis built for him for the time war based on his old design but with state of the art time lord technology... and why not with offensive weaponry? It would be his 'flagship' after all.

Also considering Rassilon's ego, I think it would be fitting for him to enable his Flag-Tardis to materialise in its true expanded form for intimidation purposes. (you may disagree)
Oh yes indeed, Rassilon does have a new Tardis commissioned, though I doubt he ever uses it but to observe the battlefield of the time war early on..I can't see rassilon himself fighting with a tardis, unless he knew he could win without harm to himself. Rassilon's Personal War Tardis had a super shielding, and long range weaponry, with increased sensory and temporal reality monitoring equipment, think of a satellite or radar and sensor jet from macross..

Rassilon's ship could monitor the time vortex, and would give the lord president updates on how time and reality were modified as the war progressed, as well as give him detailed sectors of time and space, and the troops fighting in those areas..he could coordinate from his ship, and direct battles..

I can see where near the end of the war, him not using his tardis, as it may have been destroyed, or the need for the type 91 + became obsolete after the introduction of the type 102s...sentient ships.

the Tardis above is form the old school days in the prehistory of the Time Lord lore.. and are from the era where Gallifrey begins it's space explorations, and rassilon's eventual perversion of that into subjugation..it is suggested in the series that Gallifrey is the crown jewel of the 7 systems, which I take as there are 7 solar systems close by that are colony worlds which house decedents of Gallifrey..

anyways, the ship above (I revised the image) is from the early days.. I will do a Proto-Tardis, a type 5, the Type 7 (Monolith of Rassilon), and a Type 10 Tardis.. then I will do a type 20, and then it goes 40 (which you have seen already), 70, 85, 91 (War Tardis), Type 95 (Rassilon's command Tardis), 100 (compassion), 102 (sentient war tardis/Bull Tardises). then I will do the other ships and devices, including the moment (which allowed the doctor to move within the time lock) and the weapon that destroyed Gallifrey and all the rest of everything in the time war..


but as for the War Tardises mapping the exterior ship size onto the outer dimensions, this makes the time lord ships even more interesting as they could scare Dalek fleets into seeing larger then normal sights, and bluff them into believing they had a new weapon, or some other class of warship device..

the mapping of the inner dimensions, is a pretty cool feature, as it led the Time Lords to make the exterior dimension form look more menacing in design, with spikes, and the grown tessellated membranes had a more ominous pattern mimicking thorny vines as support structures.. (you guys will love the type 91 war tardises.. they are fantastic!)

but back to the Type 7, I think that as a flagship goes for Rassilon, his war Tardis is smaller then the Original Type 7, it is much more advanced and powerful.. the need to carry a massive army and weaponry and vehicles is not necessary during the fight with the Daleks in the time war..so when I do update this thread with Rassilon's Type 95 command Tardis from the time war, you will see the difference..

my goal is to chronicle most of the varying designs.. I may skip some here and there, but that is because there is soooo much to do, what you guys have seen thus far is barely a scratch in what I want to do.. and will be uploading..
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Old June 3 2010, 02:03 PM   #34
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Oh yes indeed, Rassilon does have a new Tardis commissioned, though I doubt he ever uses it but to observe the battlefield of the time war early on..I can't see rassilon himself fighting with a tardis, unless he knew he could win without harm to himself.
I don't know about that... Rassilon being biologically immortal and creator of the Eye of Harmony, with his extreme megalomania on top of all that leads me to think he believed himself a living omnipotent god.

I see evidence from 'The End of Time' pointing to this also. Remember he said: "I will not die!". In the context of the time lady's treacherous suggestion, what Rassilon meant was that he would not choose death. He also lead the return of the Time Lords to earth to confront the Doctor and the Master, both of whom were possibly considered the most dangerous beings alive next to himself and Omega. In my mind, this was hardly a man who thought anything had the power to threaten him. After all, It was his overconfidence that led to his destruction.

And how better to demonstrate one's overconfidence than by materialising onto the battlefield in a monster of a war Tardis, dwarfing entire fleets and erasing whole Dalek planets with D-Mat guns?
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Old June 3 2010, 05:02 PM   #35
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I don't know about that... Rassilon being biologically immortal and creator of the Eye of Harmony, with his extreme megalomania on top of all that leads me to think he believed himself a living omnipotent god.
a valid point, he may have felt that about himself, however from what President Barusa stated in the Five Doctors was that Rassilon had achieved perpetual Regeneration, whereby he could continually regenerate himself. I think that he knows he can fix his body, but if his entire body were to be incinerated, I would think he would be wiped out of existence..regenerations or not..

otherwise the doctor would have said they all burned, except rassilon who just kept regenerating, and is still locked in the time war. LOL


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I see evidence from 'The End of Time' pointing to this also. Remember he said: "I will not die!". In the context of the time lady's treacherous suggestion, what Rassilon meant was that he would not choose death. He also lead the return of the Time Lords to earth to confront the Doctor and the Master, both of whom were possibly considered the most dangerous beings alive next to himself and Omega. In my mind, this was hardly a man who thought anything had the power to threaten him. After all, It was his overconfidence that led to his destruction.
See I have to disagree with you here.. and not that you don't make a valid argument that Rassilon may have been front and center in the Time War.. I just think that as the Time Lords brought him back from his slumber in the death zone tower on Gallifrey, they needed his brilliant mind to help assist them in the war. So Rassilon set about modifying the Tardises to fight, after being briefed on what advanced weaponry the Daleks possessed.. I believe that Rassilon, was too valuable to the War, and may have been on the battlefield at times, and maybe even took out some Daleks, but I think that he was more valuable as a director of the war, as we saw in the end of time episodes..

It was only the final act of desperation that led Rassilon to confront the Master and The Doctor, which prompted Rassilon to lead the charge. He was afterall the chief emissary of his people, who better with authority to command the master and the doctor then their lord president...

But before this incident, I can only believe that Rassilon spent much of the time war inventing new ways to destroy,and monitored the progress of the battles and the changes to time lines , even though their battles had no effect on Gallifrey's temporal time line..Rassilon would have been in constant briefing with his war council, the war king, and Time War Generals, also visiting the Time Lord scientists and engineers in charge of weapon development..

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And how better to demonstrate one's overconfidence than by materialising onto the battlefield in a monster of a war Tardis, dwarfing entire fleets and erasing whole Dalek planets with D-Mat guns?

well I doubt he would have a De-Mat gun on his ship, since it was linked to the Great key of Rassilon..




The De-mat Gun was a powerful weapon of the Time Lords of the planet Gallifrey. A remark by Borusa implies that Rassilon had at least a hand in its construction or design. It could remove the target from space-time. The gun could not be armed without the Great Key of Rassilon.
As Lord President, the Doctor used the De-mat gun against the Sontaran leader Stor and his remaining troops in the Capitol on Gallifrey. The gun apparently vaporised itself, leaving only the Great Key. The Doctor could not then remember the last few days. (DW: The Invasion of Time)
The Great Key was lost at sometime into the War, necessitating the Time Lords to research further more destructive weapons. (EDA: Alien Bodies, The Ancestor Cell)
Toward the end of the last great time war, the Doctor was imprisoned for over a month on an unknown planet with a Malmooth named Chantir, it was later revealed that the Doctor had planned his imprisonment to infiltrate the prison and steal The Great Key when it arrived on a transport. After escaping with the key, the Doctor explained that The Great Key was once part of a weapon called the De-mat Gun, a weapon that could "...remove something completely from time and space."
When asked if it would "...become another De-mat Gun... a weapon of destruction...?" the Doctor replied "Yes. But not as small as a gun. The De-mat Gun removes people from time and space - one at a time. I may need to create something that removes millions from time and space - at once. This key will lock the Medusa Cascade forever - if we need to." (IDW: The Forgotten)
It is unclear whether the doctor created a superior De-mat Gun which could wipe millions from time and space at once (by locking the Medusa Cascade or not) or if The Great Key alone could lock the Medusa Cascade (possibly wiping millions from time and space). (IDW: The Forgotten)
Now I left out the statement that the modified De-Mat weapon was implied to be the "moment" in the end of time..I seriously doubt that.. considering that the De-mat doesn't burn enemies in fire, rather just wipes them out of existence..similar to the crack in the universe seen in the current doctor who series..


My personal belief is that the Doctor used the moment to shield himself from the Time Lock, and wired it into the tardis.. which gave him the ability to escape the final destruction of everything in the war..I think the doomsday weapon he used was a modified hand of Omega, which turned a giant star in the middle of the battle into a massive Gamma Ray weapon (increasing it's intensity) which wiped out everything in its rotation path.. and burned everything to dust.. including the temporal weapons, Tardises, Daleks and planets..laying waste to it all..eventually the modified Gamma ray weapon would form a black whole and suck in everything inside the time lock and remove all the evidence of their existence..hence Gallifrey being gone, not just burnt to death..



see here for more info on a Gamma Ray Burst..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-ray_burst

During the Last Great Time War Rassilon possessed a gauntlet which could be wielded to much the same effect. He had used it to disintegrate a Time Lady who had expressed that maybe the Time lords had lived too long.(DW: The End of Time)
I think that all in all, by time of the mass produced type 103 Tardises, Rassilon was more interested in concocting some powerful weapons and directing attacks from his bunker on Gallifrey, and researching how to commit the final sanction and make everyone ascend.. in the event of the time lords losing their war..

I will design his war Tardis, but I think that the War King of Gallifrey does deserve his own ship as well..

During the Faction Paradox arc that runs through the Eighth Doctor Adventures, a character known as the War King is featured which is implied to be a future incarnation of the Master. The character is also referenced in The Book of the War, published by Mad Norwegian Press when the Faction Paradox stories spun-off into their own continuity.
I think that after the events of the end of time, the Master ended up with an alternate reality split of himself, which joined Rassilon earlier on in the Time war, an this variation inside the time lock became the war king, but was derived from the battle on earth, when he was sucked into the time war while trying to kill Rassilon..when the connection severed, it split the Master since he was not entirely within the path.. and sent a part of him into the time vortex, and the other part, was sent somewhere in space and time outside of the time war time lock (to be seen again)..

a part of me believes that with this crack that changes time and space, and "re-writes history" thing in the new doctor who series, that the master, and the time lords may be making a return, and the time war, may never have happened..that remains to be seen.. but I think that that story line is a possibility..but till then I am basing my designs and such on what we already know..

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Gamma ray bursts are not fun things *shudders*
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Gamma ray bursts are not fun things *shudders*
yeah that scares me more then a giant asteroid.. or earth quakes, and even an ice age...

you can't do anything if a gamma burst strikes you, except in the split second.. just burn..
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^ That's always been my fear of them I wrote it into my Superman fic that is what caused Krypton's death was that Rao went supernova and caused a gamma ray burst that destroyed everything in the solar system.
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^ That's always been my fear of them I wrote it into my Superman fic that is what caused Krypton's death was that Rao went supernova and caused a gamma ray burst that destroyed everything in the solar system.
that makes much more sense for Krypton Lore, considering how destructive a gamma ray burst could be, in the case of the time war, it just fit as the ultimate weapon which could wipe out and burn everything all in a few seconds of it's explosion,and then in return form a black hole and suck everything burnt into a singularity..plus to help things ever better, we already know they can engineer a star, so the misuse of the hand of Omega is a fitting end, considering the name for whom the device was given for..Omega, the end.. LOL...

it works on so many levels..
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Okay so let's TAKE this as a possible explanation..

the New Paradigm Daleks somehow end up in the middle of the Dalek/Movellan War.. they give an edge to the Daleks, thus Davros and the Daleks win, and the Hand of Omega Never gets used in Remembrance of the Daleks, and so Skaro is still there..the Hand of Omega is still on Earth..the Daleks are still one race and not fractured into separate factions due to the Movellan virus

Later, the Time War happens, and everything gets time locked..

the 8th Doctor uses the Moment to escape the time war, and returns to earth 1963.. he reprograms the Hand of Omega to fly into the middle of the time war having added the moment to the hand of Omega to allow it to do so, and the hand engineers a massive solar gamma burst (before the time war happens cause it will take along time for the radiation to travel space to wipe out everything in it's path), which at the speed of light, burns everything in a billion light year radius, killing everything! that star then implodes in on itself and sucks in all the charred remains, and Burnt solar systems..

The Doctor's wounds force him to regenerate into the 9th and we pick up from there on..
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Would it be wrong of me to give you guys a new Tardis design, that is significantly better then those you have already seen?

Seriously..

I have something I did, and man.. i feel horrible..

it's majestic and freaking fits even better then what I have done..

do you guys want to see the new design? Should I display it? Or should I just keep following the path i have set forth already??

What I have done is nothing short of fantastic, and fulfills many of you fans who have discussed with me your "concerns" that the designs I have thus far related are not representative of the sheer massive size of the Tardis..

this newer design covers that, and on another level fixes issues that those purists of the classic era have raised about the Tardis being machine.. and those who like the living aspect of it..

I figured it out..

and to be honest..

I feel bad that thus far, I have taken us down a road that, well now in comparison,

dwarfs what we have seen.. this came about cause my other designs on my portable hard drive are unaccessible due to some issue.. not sure what it is but all my art is tied up on my portable hard drive..and I am extremely sad about that and worried..

I don't know how to do a poll,
But I can tell you..

I would like to know what you guys think..

Should I bring a new Tardis design to this forum, or shoudl I leave it alone..

(I am really thinking the new design will be herald as the definitive Tardis..in it's own reality, even over anything released by the BBC officially.. seriously, the design is that awesome...)

so..

yes to the new design


Or no, stay where we are, and expand on that line of designs..


Please let me know guys/Gals..

this adventure we are taking hinges on this decision, cause everything here-after will be based on this new design..or what we have already seen..

your choice...
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(I am really thinking the new design will be herald as the definitive Tardis..in it's own reality, even over anything released by the BBC officially.. seriously, the design is that awesome...)

so..

yes to the new design


Or no, stay where we are, and expand on that line of designs..


Please let me know guys/Gals..
Is there an option for "F*** YEAH!"?
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I wanna see anything and everything you've done and will do! I don't care if it's drastically different!
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Judging by the steady progression of awesomeness, that you have presented us so far:

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^This!
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Would it be wrong of me to give you guys a new Tardis design, that is significantly better then those you have already seen?
I believe I speak for the entire forum with the following request: Quit the foreplay and SHOW US ALREADY!
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