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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old June 2 2010, 04:32 PM   #46
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Re: Just watched Star Trek V - pros and cons

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...it was entirely in keeping with ALL the TOS characters to use their sexuality as a weapon.
I don't recall Scotty ever using his sexuality as a weapon.

(I'm not trying to nitpick, but I like to be careful about absolutes.)

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Well Nemesis is light years better....STV is just awful...nothing redeeming about it.
Why do people like this even come on these threads? At least when I state my dislike for *certain movies,* I at least try to add something constructive to the conversation. This kind of statement is just pointless.
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Old June 2 2010, 08:41 PM   #47
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...it was entirely in keeping with ALL the TOS characters to use their sexuality as a weapon.
I don't recall Scotty ever using his sexuality as a weapon.

Well there was this upkilt shot once ...
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Old June 2 2010, 09:35 PM   #48
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Pros: nice music
Yeah, and the best Enterprise bridge that was ever built.
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Old June 2 2010, 11:41 PM   #49
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Pros: nice music
Yeah, and the best Enterprise bridge that was ever built.
I miss his old seat...
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Old June 3 2010, 02:27 AM   #50
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And you know, even though I rather enjoy TOS, I'd still take TFF over any individual episode.
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Now, I do like TOS a lot, but the films in general are just better for me. TOS is static. The films, even the more flawed ones, move the characters. Kirk, Spock, and McCoy changed more in twelve hours of movies than seventy-nine hours of television.

But that might just be a personal preference.
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Old June 3 2010, 02:33 AM   #51
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But that might just be a personal preference.
Character evolution can be... fascinating.
But enduring iconic peeps can be... infecting.

But it's all good!
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Old June 3 2010, 02:58 AM   #52
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Now, I do like TOS a lot, but the films in general are just better for me. TOS is static. The films, even the more flawed ones, move the characters. Kirk, Spock, and McCoy changed more in twelve hours of movies than seventy-nine hours of television.
Most episodes of the series were not about those characters. That's the nature of an episodic series.
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Old June 3 2010, 03:09 AM   #53
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Most episodes of the series were not about those characters. That's the nature of an episodic series.
Story over characters?

Or, story over character development?

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Old June 3 2010, 03:40 AM   #54
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Pros: nice music
Yeah, and the best Enterprise bridge that was ever built.
I miss his old seat...
So do I.

The 21 year old one from Star Trek V.
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Old June 3 2010, 03:45 AM   #55
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So do I.

The 21 year old one from Star Trek V.
Yeah, it was really good, I was just riffing off Kirk's line from the movie.
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Old June 3 2010, 03:57 AM   #56
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So do I.

The 21 year old one from Star Trek V.
Yeah, it was really good, I was just riffing off Kirk's line from the movie.
I know. I got it.
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Old June 3 2010, 04:04 AM   #57
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Old June 3 2010, 05:13 AM   #58
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Most episodes of the series were not about those characters. That's the nature of an episodic series.
Story over characters?

Or, story over character development?

No.
Drama is about a dramatic hero. There is no story without character. The thing is, you can't destroy your hero's life every week. Consequently, most of the episodes were about the guest characters. The regulars were our entre into a world were anything was possible. It has the same principle as an anthology series.
We got to know the characters of Star Trek because we saw them in action. We got to experience things WITH them, not about them.
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Old June 3 2010, 12:03 PM   #59
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Now, I do like TOS a lot, but the films in general are just better for me. TOS is static. The films, even the more flawed ones, move the characters. Kirk, Spock, and McCoy changed more in twelve hours of movies than seventy-nine hours of television.
THIS.
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The thing is, you can't destroy your hero's life every week. Consequently, most of the episodes were about the guest characters. The regulars were our entre into a world were anything was possible. It has the same principle as an anthology series.
We got to know the characters of Star Trek because we saw them in action. We got to experience things WITH them, not about them.
Good point -- that seems to be the '60s drama show mode. But character development is certainly possible in an anthology series w/o destroying anybody's life. Little moments or realizations or "B" plots. Witness TNG or DS9, which I bet we could agree had way more character development than TOS. They had 4 more years, of course, but still there was a different way of doing stories by the time the later series aired.
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