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Doctor Who "Bigger on the inside..."

View Poll Results: What do you think about the episode?
Brilliant 43 37.39%
Good 52 45.22%
Average 12 10.43%
Meh 3 2.61%
I wish we had a puke smilie 5 4.35%
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Old May 30 2010, 04:53 PM   #91
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This show seems very keen on using forgetting stuff as a way of not dealing with the consequences of events. So we've killed off Rory, and wiped it from Amy's mind so that she can carry on next week as if nothing had happened. So... what was the point of him existing in the first place again? A totally inconsequential character death with little or no emotional impact at all. And how does Rory never having existed fit with the timeline of the last couple of episodes in which he played a role in the plot, and which needed to happen to get to this point?
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Old May 30 2010, 04:54 PM   #92
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Well, she may have had an existing heart condition.
Hope she at least had a good dental plan for being head of the army
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Old May 30 2010, 05:00 PM   #93
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This show seems very keen on using forgetting stuff as a way of not dealing with the consequences of events. So we've killed off Rory, and wiped it from Amy's mind so that she can carry on next week as if nothing had happened. So... what was the point of him existing in the first place again? A totally inconsequential character death with little or no emotional impact at all. And how does Rory never having existed fit with the timeline of the last couple of episodes in which he played a role in the plot, and which needed to happen to get to this point?
We remember him, so does the Doctor, but Amy doesn't. That's the point.
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Old May 30 2010, 05:21 PM   #94
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This show seems very keen on using forgetting stuff as a way of not dealing with the consequences of events. So we've killed off Rory, and wiped it from Amy's mind so that she can carry on next week as if nothing had happened. So... what was the point of him existing in the first place again? A totally inconsequential character death with little or no emotional impact at all. And how does Rory never having existed fit with the timeline of the last couple of episodes in which he played a role in the plot, and which needed to happen to get to this point?
We remember him, so does the Doctor, but Amy doesn't. That's the point.
Also important: the emphasis that the engagement ring got, both at the beginning and the end of the two-parter. We've got to remember that this is a season-long story arc.
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Old May 30 2010, 05:24 PM   #95
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What personalities?!? They were cyphers, nothing more. The angry military leader (with familial connections to the soldier us humans just killed, of course), the wise elder, the morally resolute scientist (who's totally fine with VIVISECTION btw, but lets just ignore that this episode). And all played their usual roles in this cliche ridden suckfest.
Damn, what're you so pissed off about?

Compared to the usual 'Die, puny humans!' aliens we normally get on the show, yes, I thought they had tons of personality.
You should've rephrased it: "They had tons of personality... for a Doctor Who episode"
Heh. Not sure if I agree with that, but heh.

At any rate CJ, you really haven't seen these exact same tropes at least a half dozen times before in different media? What was there that made these characters special?

Also, what about the army of Silurians stepping out of hibernation after how many years and instantly ready to follow Restak(?) in not only killing the humans, but also a defenseless scientist and their wise leader? That would seem to fit your definition of "die puny humans".
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Old May 30 2010, 05:32 PM   #96
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I have to admit that even though I'd thought that Amy's fixation on the Doctor was unhealthy and that the Doctor probably had ulterior motives for bringing Amy aboard, "Amy's Choice" made it clear that the Doctor does have some romantic feelings for her, and I had been shipping Amy/Doctor a bit. I'm wondering how the erasure of Rory will affect the Doctor/Amy relationship -- and at the same time, I find myself unexpectedly sad, as I found myself simultaneously shipping Amy/Rory (which turned out to be a much sweeter and more organic relationship than I'd thought it would be).
I think the Doctor has to be feeling a ton of guilt over what he's inadvertantly taken from Amy. So many what ifs - if he'd ignored the crack, or made sure they were in the TARDIS before reaching into it, or dragged Rory away from the light before it got to him, or acted a little quicker with the sonic to disable the weapon, etc. The thing about shipping for the Doctor with anybody is you know it will end badly; he can never have a happily ever after with anybody. So 10 years down the road when Amy's left him (as she inevitably will), she'll have nobody to go home to or share her memories of traveling in the TARDIS with. She'll end up like Sara Jane Smith did.

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I do but I would think a tough thick venomed filled Lizard could handle a few jolts, she didn't hit her that often and they called us weak apes
She could have jolted her many more times than was shown. Plus she held it for a long time; you're only supposed to deliver a quick zap and then stop.

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This show seems very keen on using forgetting stuff as a way of not dealing with the consequences of events. So we've killed off Rory, and wiped it from Amy's mind so that she can carry on next week as if nothing had happened. So... what was the point of him existing in the first place again? A totally inconsequential character death with little or no emotional impact at all. And how does Rory never having existed fit with the timeline of the last couple of episodes in which he played a role in the plot, and which needed to happen to get to this point?
It's sure to have an emotional impact on the Doctor. Rory did save him a regeneration by shoving him out of the way of that Silurian weapon. And as I said above, he knows that Amy's lost someone she wanted to spend her life with, even if she doesn't.
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Old May 30 2010, 06:12 PM   #97
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This show seems very keen on using forgetting stuff as a way of not dealing with the consequences of events. So we've killed off Rory, and wiped it from Amy's mind so that she can carry on next week as if nothing had happened. So... what was the point of him existing in the first place again? A totally inconsequential character death with little or no emotional impact at all. And how does Rory never having existed fit with the timeline of the last couple of episodes in which he played a role in the plot, and which needed to happen to get to this point?
I don't understand how anyone could watch that and come to that conclusion? Why is it difficult to see this is simply another beat in a series long storyline?

Is the modern audience really so mentally slow they need obvious things spelling out to them?
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Old May 30 2010, 06:26 PM   #98
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Having Amy forget seemed reasonable. After all the last time Rory 'died' she promptly killed herself. And the show needs her character to be able to function til at least the finale.

And yes I'm still holding out hope that the crack will spit him back out once the series finale rolls around.

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At any rate CJ, you really haven't seen these exact same tropes at least a half dozen times before in different media? What was there that made these characters special?

Also, what about the army of Silurians stepping out of hibernation after how many years and instantly ready to follow Restak(?) in not only killing the humans, but also a defenseless scientist and their wise leader? That would seem to fit your definition of "die puny humans".
I'm not really interested in other mediums here, just DW. Okay, maybe I phrased it wrongly. My point was that since Who came back we haven't seen this sort of internal conflict among the monsters of the week. You've certainly never seen Sontaran, Cybermen, or even Krillitane debating whether what they're doing is right. I mean hell, just having an alien species who isn't totally evil is unusual in iitself.

All I'm saying is I enjoyed them a lot more than the average DW monster.
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Old May 30 2010, 06:36 PM   #99
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People assuming that the crack was caused by something done by Ten seem to have forgotten that earlier this season saw the creation of big arsed Fischer Price daleks. My money is on them having something to do with the crack.

The other thing I'm very conscious of is the Doctor's statement "It's all about you" to Amy. I suspect we have some sort of timey-wimey backwards thing reminiscent of Bad Wolf, where Amy does something which causes the crack to leak backwards into her own timeline.

There's also the fact that a 'later' or 'alternate' Doctor appears to be crossing his own timeline to ensure that she remembers things. If Amy's ability to remember people after the crack has touched them is what makes their survival possible, "Remember what I said to you when you were 8" (ie. before we started looking at the crack) might be about the Doctor's very existence.

I strongly suspect Rory will be back, or at the very least reinstated into history/memory. What happens when the crack closes?
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Old May 30 2010, 06:41 PM   #100
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You assume 10 regenned in 2005. He left Rose in 2005, flew up and out. To when we don't know. Plus the regen powered TARDIS explosion could have brought the TARDIS up to 2010 then plummet it back to Earth and in time to 7 year old Amy's time.
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Old May 30 2010, 06:48 PM   #101
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You assume 10 regenned in 2005. He left Rose in 2005, flew up and out. To when we don't know. Plus the regen powered TARDIS explosion could have brought the TARDIS up to 2010 then plummet it back to Earth and in time to 7 year old Amy's time.
But there's no reason to think that Ten's TARDIS travelled to 2010 before plummeting back to Earth in 1996.
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Old May 30 2010, 06:53 PM   #102
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I don't see why people can't get the idea that the TARDIS of the future caused the cracks.
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Old May 30 2010, 07:11 PM   #103
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Because people like speculating.

My point was that since Who came back we haven't seen this sort of internal conflict among the monsters of the week. You've certainly never seen Sontaran, Cybermen, or even Krillitane debating whether what they're doing is right. I mean hell, just having an alien species who isn't totally evil is unusual in iitself.
You do have a point there, and I give the original idea points for that.
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My point was that since Who came back we haven't seen this sort of internal conflict among the monsters of the week. You've certainly never seen Sontaran, Cybermen, or even Krillitane debating whether what they're doing is right.
Well, there was The Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks at the very least, so it's not like we've never seen dissent among the antagonists before.
But I also liked the more detailed insight into the Silurian society we got.
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Because people like speculating.
It's not speculation when you ignore the available facts and come to incorrect, or at least, implausible conclusions.
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