Charting the Novel-verse - Page 3

Steve Mollmann · May 26 2010, 09:41 PM

Well, if you go there, then things would just get silly. The Future Begins mentions a planet from The Fifth Element. I don't even like that film.

King Daniel Into Darkness · May 26 2010, 09:55 PM

Christopher:
I may have gotten Spock's World and My Enemy, My Ally mixed up. Sorry.

Having Aliens as an in-universe work of fiction is what I meant, hence me saying "the same applies".

Also: Jem'Hadar turn invisible, are really tough and live to fight. Naussicans look more like Predators, but they don't act like them at all (at least not the way Predators are depicted in the movies).

It's probably best this "in-universe universe" can stay closed for now

Dayton Ward · May 26 2010, 10:01 PM

Speaking of Aliens tie-ins, we did have a reference to "Acheron" in A Time to Sow, in the context of terraforming. For those who don't know, Acheron was the name given to planet otherwise known as "LV-426" (which was being terraformed during the events of the film) in Alan Dean Foster's novelization of Aliens as well as earlier versions of the screenplay.

I put in the reference mostly just to see if anyone would catch it....

Deranged Nasat · May 26 2010, 10:01 PM

This is great, Turtletrekker! Really impressive work.

Mmmmm....continuity references....

Turtletrekker · May 26 2010, 10:50 PM

Steve Mollmann wrote:

Well, if you go there, then things would just get silly. The Future Begins mentions a planet from The Fifth Element. I don't even like that film.

Agreed. The cans of worms will stay on the shelf...

Turtletrekker · May 26 2010, 11:18 PM

Christopher;4112748

Maybe you should mention that VGR: [I wrote:

Full Circle[/I] references "Isabo's Shirt." Also, there are some typographical problems in the VGR post, with series titles (such as Spirit Walk and Dark Matters) being listed in the same way as their individual installment titles and thus being confusing to the uninitiated.

Fixed Spirit Walk and Dark Matters and made the "Isabo's Shirt" reference. Thanks.

MichaelS wrote:

turtletrekker wrote:

Steve Mollmann and Michael Shuster

:gasp: You got the wrong name wrong! Now I know how Steve usually feels...

I found it mis-spelled twice and spelled correctly twice. I hope I fixed them all. sorry (Uhhhm, Mollmann put me up to it.

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Lonemagpie · May 26 2010, 11:58 PM

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KingDaniel wrote:

And isn't Predator a part of the same universe? Considering the Jem'Hadar are fairly blatant Predator rip-offs this is quite interesting.

Actually the Nausicaans are the ones who resemble Predators.

The Jem'Hadar invisibility cloak used in their first appearance is the same effect as in Predator, the Nausicaan makeup resembles the Predator, and the Hirogen are, to all intents and purposes, Predators - but don't look like them.

FWIW, the Feledrin in On The Spot is the same alien species used in the Dr Who audio Unregenerate (wot I also wrote) and so far nobody noticed...

Turtletrekker · May 27 2010, 02:37 AM

Steve Mollmann wrote:

Only one thought right now: TNG: Possession is a direct sequel to one of Dillard's original series novels.

Added Posession (and Diane Duane's Intellivore) to the TNG page under "Sequels to TOS books".

Next time, I'm gonna have to add a page for novel-verse references in Strange New Worlds stories. Didn't think of it in time. (Am adding "The Aliens Are Coming" with the Khan books.)

TheAlmanac · May 27 2010, 06:44 PM

Awesome work!

I appreciate that this thread has been made sticky, since I was a big fan of its predecessor and want to see the work continue...

I really look forward to the addition of more Strange New Worlds content. (I deliberately avoided novel-continuity references in my own story, but the events of the story itself are also easy to reference.

I know a couple of SNW writers included references from their own stories when they wrote other work later.)

So, let me get this straight...Gold Key Comics and FASA get some love in more current works, but the Bantam novels don't?

Turtletrekker wrote:

You want worms? Planet X could bring in the entire Marvel multi-verse, which has crossed over with the DC universe.

To be fair, the X-Men crossovers make it pretty clear that Earth-616 (comicspeak for the main Marvel Universe) is separate from the universe in which Star Trek occurs.

Beyond that, I think references to present-day pop culture as fiction in TrekLit is a whole other thing, which might justify its own thread...

Steve Mollmann · May 27 2010, 07:04 PM

I am pretty sure I am the only person out there referencing Gold Key comics, and I just do it to cause trouble. There is a slight FASA reference (very slight) in The Tears of Eridanus, though (to the only FASA sourcebook I've ever read). And I don't remember those Bantams enough to make any references!

Christopher · May 27 2010, 07:33 PM

TheAlmanac wrote:

To be fair, the X-Men crossovers make it pretty clear that Earth-616 (comicspeak for the main Marvel Universe) is separate from the universe in which Star Trek occurs.

Well, the original TOS/X-Men crossover did so. The TNG/X-Men comic didn't quite follow suit; there was a portion where one of the TNG characters referenced something from Marvel history as though it were part of Trek history.

As for SNW stories with novel-continuity ties, here's what I'm aware of:

SNWIII: TOS: "The Aliens are Coming!" by Dayton Ward: Referenced in The Eugenics Wars.
SNWVII: TNG: "Full Circle" by Scott Pearson: Draws on elements of novel continuity.
SNW09: TNG: "Terra Tonight" by Pearson: Sequel to the above.
SNW09: DS9: "Shattered Allies" by Emily P. Bloch: Draws on concepts from DS9 Relaunch, but isn't completely consistent with it.
SNW09: Speculations: "The Immortality Blues" by Marc Carlson: Built around the events of WWIII as depicted in The Lost Era: The Sundered.

ryan123450 · May 28 2010, 12:39 AM

I LOVE this list. This is same kind of thing I did when I wanted to build my own personal continuity to read threw when I started reading TrekLit. Mine is somewhat more limited, just due to the fact that I didn't want to include some stuff that actually does fit, and I wanted to end up with a list that I could actually work my way threw sometime relatively soon.

It's been five years already and I'm still a little ways from finished. It would help if authors would quit writing so many interesting books that fit into the novel continuity.

Turtletrekker · May 28 2010, 02:48 AM

TheAlmanac wrote:

Awesome work!

thanks.!

So, let me get this straight...Gold Key Comics and FASA get some love in more current works, but the Bantam novels don't?

Steve Mollmann wrote:

And I don't remember those Bantams enough to make any references!

And I don't remember them enough to know a reference if I saw one!

Steve Mollmann · May 28 2010, 05:02 AM

As far as SNW goes, there's also "The Last Tree on Ferenginar: A Ferengi Fable from the Future" in volume 9, which uses the Quark/Ro relationship and other relaunch elements... but it also set during a nonexistent time after Quark and Ro visit Ferenginar but before they break up.

William Leisner · May 28 2010, 12:47 PM

Bravo, Turtletrekker!

Next time you feel like adding to this, my annotations for Losing the Peace are here:
http://wleisner.wordpress.com/about/...ing-the-peace/

I also plan to re-post my lost annotations for Out of the Cocoon in time for the tpb release.

May 26 2010, 09:41 PM	#31
Steve Mollmann Rear Admiral Location: 2010	Re: Charting the Novel-verse Well, if you go there, then things would just get silly. The Future Begins mentions a planet from The Fifth Element. I don't even like that film. __________________ "All of time and space. Everywhere and anywhere, every star that ever was. Where do you want to start?" Exploring the Universe

May 26 2010, 09:55 PM	#32
King Daniel Into Darkness Admiral Location: On holiday. Regular service will resume on July 6.	Re: Charting the Novel-verse Christopher: I may have gotten Spock's World and My Enemy, My Ally mixed up. Sorry. Having Aliens as an in-universe work of fiction is what I meant, hence me saying "the same applies". Also: Jem'Hadar turn invisible, are really tough and live to fight. Naussicans look more like Predators, but they don't act like them at all (at least not the way Predators are depicted in the movies). It's probably best this "in-universe universe" can stay closed for now __________________ Star Trek Imponderables, fun mashups of Trek's biggest continuity errors! Ep1, Ep2 and Ep3

May 26 2010, 10:01 PM	#33
Dayton Ward Word Pusher	Re: Charting the Novel-verse Speaking of Aliens tie-ins, we did have a reference to "Acheron" in A Time to Sow, in the context of terraforming. For those who don't know, Acheron was the name given to planet otherwise known as "LV-426" (which was being terraformed during the events of the film) in Alan Dean Foster's novelization of Aliens as well as earlier versions of the screenplay. I put in the reference mostly just to see if anyone would catch it.... __________________ www.daytonward.com "tlhingAn HoL, Mother F*cker! Do you speak it?!"

May 26 2010, 10:01 PM	#34
Deranged Nasat Vice Admiral Location: Warped off into the sunset. With fond memories of most of you, and not a little sorrow at leaving.	Re: Charting the Novel-verse This is great, Turtletrekker! Really impressive work. Mmmmm....continuity references.... __________________ We are all the sum of our tears. Too little and the ground is not fertile and nothing can grow there; too much, the best of us is washed away.

May 27 2010, 07:04 PM	#40
Steve Mollmann Rear Admiral Location: 2010	Re: Charting the Novel-verse I am pretty sure I am the only person out there referencing Gold Key comics, and I just do it to cause trouble. There is a slight FASA reference (very slight) in The Tears of Eridanus, though (to the only FASA sourcebook I've ever read). And I don't remember those Bantams enough to make any references! __________________ "All of time and space. Everywhere and anywhere, every star that ever was. Where do you want to start?" Exploring the Universe

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May 28 2010, 12:39 AM	#42
ryan123450 Commodore Location: Woodward, OK	Re: Charting the Novel-verse I LOVE this list. This is same kind of thing I did when I wanted to build my own personal continuity to read threw when I started reading TrekLit. Mine is somewhat more limited, just due to the fact that I didn't want to include some stuff that actually does fit, and I wanted to end up with a list that I could actually work my way threw sometime relatively soon. It's been five years already and I'm still a little ways from finished. It would help if authors would quit writing so many interesting books that fit into the novel continuity. __________________ Lost: A Chronological Experience-http://lostchronologically.yolasite.com Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit.

May 28 2010, 05:02 AM	#44
Steve Mollmann Rear Admiral Location: 2010	Re: Charting the Novel-verse As far as SNW goes, there's also "The Last Tree on Ferenginar: A Ferengi Fable from the Future" in volume 9, which uses the Quark/Ro relationship and other relaunch elements... but it also set during a nonexistent time after Quark and Ro visit Ferenginar but before they break up. __________________ "All of time and space. Everywhere and anywhere, every star that ever was. Where do you want to start?" Exploring the Universe

May 28 2010, 12:47 PM	#45
William Leisner Scribbler Location: Minneapolis, MN	Re: Charting the Novel-verse Bravo, Turtletrekker! Next time you feel like adding to this, my annotations for Losing the Peace are here: http://wleisner.wordpress.com/about/...ing-the-peace/ I also plan to re-post my lost annotations for Out of the Cocoon in time for the tpb release.