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Old May 27 2010, 12:10 AM   #31
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Re: Marines in the SGC?

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The funny thing that gets me is that the base used for SGC has military personnel from all branches of the military but you only see Air Force and Marines.

The Navy helped quarantine the russian sub that was taken over by replicators, though you never saw any personnel I dont think, just glimpses of the ships around the harbor.

Weren't those SEALs that O'Neill and Teal'c were with when they boarded the sub?

Anyway, it is odd that Air Force and Marines are the primary US military brances seen in Stargate. The Army and Navy have been virtually ignored. The largest confirmed US Navy presence on screen in the entire Stargate franchise was Continuum, when they filmed on board the actual sub and featured its actual crew. Meanwhile, the only time we see anyone from the US Army in all of Stargate was General Francis Maynard in Inauguration and Lost City. I know the Stargate program is run by the Air Force, and the US Air Force even coordinated with the producers for SG-1, but in the 13 years that there has been Stargate on television and 16 since the release of the original movie, you'd think they could find a bit more for the Army and Navy.

I find it interesting, that whenever they show the Russians, it's almost exclusively the Russian Army we see. It was a Russian Army base their Stargate program was being run, a Russian Army team that joined SG-1 on the mission through the Goa'uld tomb, the Russian SG team in season 6 consisted of Army personnel, Colonel Chekov was an Army officer, and in a final twist of oddity, the Korolev was staffed by an Army crew. Seriously, I can accept the Air Force crewing a starship since space falls under the Air Force's defense jurisdiction. I can also understand the argument that the Navy should be crewing a starship since ships are a Navy thing. But why would the Army of any country be operating a starship?

The only exceptions to these examples are the Russian sub in S4 which was clearly the Russian Navy, and the SGC's Rusian liason officer in S8's Lockdown (they guy Anubis tagged along with) was a Russian Air Force officer.
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Old May 27 2010, 12:42 AM   #32
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You know who operates this ship and her sisters?

The US Navy has one of them...

And the US Army runs the other two.

During WWII the Army had over 120,000 ships and watercraft. And even today it has quite a few large vessels.

I'm not as familiar with the Russian military, but it wouldn't surprise me a bit if their Army has more clout than the other services.
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Old May 27 2010, 12:47 AM   #33
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Re: Marines in the SGC?

I'm starting to think that Canada might have a point...you know, with its single, unified military and all that.
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Old May 27 2010, 12:55 AM   #34
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I'm starting to think that Canada might have a point...you know, with its single, unified military and all that.
I would sooner cut my throat out than be in the same command as the marines
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Old May 27 2010, 01:09 AM   #35
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Re: Marines in the SGC?

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mtblillie wrote: View Post
The funny thing that gets me is that the base used for SGC has military personnel from all branches of the military but you only see Air Force and Marines.

The Navy helped quarantine the russian sub that was taken over by replicators, though you never saw any personnel I dont think, just glimpses of the ships around the harbor.

Weren't those SEALs that O'Neill and Teal'c were with when they boarded the sub?

Anyway, it is odd that Air Force and Marines are the primary US military brances seen in Stargate. The Army and Navy have been virtually ignored. The largest confirmed US Navy presence on screen in the entire Stargate franchise was Continuum, when they filmed on board the actual sub and featured its actual crew. Meanwhile, the only time we see anyone from the US Army in all of Stargate was General Francis Maynard in Inauguration and Lost City. I know the Stargate program is run by the Air Force, and the US Air Force even coordinated with the producers for SG-1, but in the 13 years that there has been Stargate on television and 16 since the release of the original movie, you'd think they could find a bit more for the Army and Navy.

I find it interesting, than whenever they show the Russians, it's almost exclusively the Russian Army we see. It was a Russian Army base their Stargate program was being run, a Russian Army team that joined SG-1 on the mission through the Goa'uld tomb, the Russian SG team in season 6 consisted of Army personnel, Colonel Chekov was an Army officer, and in a final twist of oddity, the Korolev was staffed by an Army crew. Seriously, I can accept the Air Force crewing a starship since space falls under the Air Force's defense jurisdiction. I can also understand the argument that the Navy should be crewing a starship since ships are a Navy thing. But why would the Army of any country be operating a starship?

The only exceptions to these examples are the Russian sub in S4 which was clearly the Russian Navy, and the SGC's Rusian liason officer in S8's Lockdown (they guy Anubis tagged along with) was a Russian Air Force officer.
Like the USAF ran the land based nuke missiles in the US which lead to their being the lead in the Space Command, thus Stargate Command, the Soviet Army ran their Strategic Rocket Program
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I'm starting to think that Canada might have a point...you know, with its single, unified military and all that.
I would sooner cut my throat out than be in the same command as the marines
That's probably why Canada doesn't have marines.
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Old May 27 2010, 02:51 PM   #37
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During WWII the Army had over 120,000 ships and watercraft. And even today it has quite a few large vessels.
Admittedly my own ignorance regarding the military is playing against me here. But, if there is a real life precedent for other branches of the US military other than the Navy to have and crew boats, than why are so many upset that the Air Force would crew a starship? In light of what I know now, it seems to me a logical extension of how things are in real life.

That being said, I still think it odd for there to be such a large Army presence on the Korolev, particularly among its bridge officers. For one thing, piloting a starship would probably a job they'd give to a really skilled pilot. Not to slam the Russian Army, but I would think you'd find more more qualified pilots in the Air Force than in the Army. But maybe I'm again out to lunch. My knowledge of military, Russian military at that isn't quite up to par.
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Old May 27 2010, 03:26 PM   #38
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During WWII the Army had over 120,000 ships and watercraft. And even today it has quite a few large vessels.
Admittedly my own ignorance regarding the military is playing against me here. But, if there is a real life precedent for other branches of the US military other than the Navy to have and crew boats, than why are so many upset that the Air Force would crew a starship? In light of what I know now, it seems to me a logical extension of how things are in real life.

That being said, I still think it odd for there to be such a large Army presence on the Korolev, particularly among its bridge officers. For one thing, piloting a starship would probably a job they'd give to a really skilled pilot. Not to slam the Russian Army, but I would think you'd find more more qualified pilots in the Air Force than in the Army. But maybe I'm again out to lunch. My knowledge of military, Russian military at that isn't quite up to par.
Perhaps because all the so called tactics and evasive actions really wouldn't happen at the ranges and speed space combat would happen. For the tactics I've seen by the big ships on Stargate, where the so called ship must stay in the picture frame, the Wraith of Khan tactic rarely comes into effect. The large space craft, which many think must be a Navy ship, might as well be an army tank caught in the open as it uses its armor and tries to hold out until it achieves fire superiority.
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Old May 27 2010, 03:58 PM   #39
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Re: Marines in the SGC?

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Caliburn24 wrote: View Post
During WWII the Army had over 120,000 ships and watercraft. And even today it has quite a few large vessels.
Admittedly my own ignorance regarding the military is playing against me here. But, if there is a real life precedent for other branches of the US military other than the Navy to have and crew boats, than why are so many upset that the Air Force would crew a starship? In light of what I know now, it seems to me a logical extension of how things are in real life.

That being said, I still think it odd for there to be such a large Army presence on the Korolev, particularly among its bridge officers. For one thing, piloting a starship would probably a job they'd give to a really skilled pilot. Not to slam the Russian Army, but I would think you'd find more more qualified pilots in the Air Force than in the Army. But maybe I'm again out to lunch. My knowledge of military, Russian military at that isn't quite up to par.
Perhaps because all the so called tactics and evasive actions really wouldn't happen at the ranges and speed space combat would happen. For the tactics I've seen by the big ships on Stargate, where the so called ship must stay in the picture frame, the Wraith of Khan tactic rarely comes into effect. The large space craft, which many think must be a Navy ship, might as well be an army tank caught in the open as it uses its armor and tries to hold out until it achieves fire superiority.
I agree, while star trek isnt the only reference to having naval traditions on a space ship, it is that franchise that made that more of a common idea.
It is more likely that the Air Force would run a starship program (that is one reason why I liked Enterprise a lot, it had sort of a NASA/Air Force feel to it, rather than just Navy).

And to clarify, Star Fleet is not a Navy, it just takes on Naval traditions in dealing with starships (comparing the whole big space ship to a big naval ship with similar circumstances; being out in the open frotier).

Also it has always been sci fi thing to have starships being similar to naval ships and having space battles being similar to naval battles. Ships probebly won't fly linearly when they maneuver like a ship does, there is no reason to assume they would. If you ask a scientist today what a space battle would look like they would probebly say that the ships that would fight each other would use the characteristics of space to fight, such as manuevering at angles rather than lines, but then again that isn't very imaginative.
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