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Old May 26 2010, 05:11 AM   #16
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Re: The most fascinating thing about the L&O finale

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Why do they have those rubber rooms in the first place? If the teachers can't be fired, why don't they just stay home?
They can't be fired without ironclad cause; not showing up for work would qualify.
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Old May 26 2010, 06:41 AM   #17
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TNT has officially passed on the series.
Then I guess this is not on the level...
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Old May 26 2010, 03:04 PM   #18
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TNT has officially passed on the series.
Then I guess this is not on the level...
Look at the date on that item: April 30. I think that's even before NBC announced the cancellation! If it had been on the level, we'd have heard about it in the regular media before the finale aired.

The idea of a wrap-up movie is still alive, apparently, if there's enough demand.

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Seeing as how L&O has never been about a specific set of characters, it wouldn't really have made sense for the end of the series to focus on a conclusive (let alone cataclysmic) ending for the specific group of characters that happens to be filling the stock roles at the moment. That wouldn't really have been a resolution to L&O, because there are so many other characters whose stories have already been resolved or who have just moved on to other jobs. It's not the kind of show that should have a decisive ending.
Exactly. A few odds and ends in the backstory aside, like Van Buren's cancer and the affair between Jack and Claire in the 90s, the series was the epitome of the standalone series. I'm actually not really in favor of a "true finale" TV movie, because frankly the show's strength was in the fact you could jump in at just about any point, without any need for backstory. Having the series just end, as it did - though the final scene had everyone together in a celebratory mood, which was a nice coincidence as it was intended to be Merkeson's farewell, not the show's - was perfect.

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Old May 26 2010, 03:57 PM   #19
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Re: The most fascinating thing about the L&O finale

I wonder who would have taken over for Van Buren. Eames, perhaps? (She made Captain right before she left CI)
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Old May 26 2010, 05:19 PM   #20
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Kathryn Erbe was axed from Criminal Intent due to budget cuts. If she was too expensive for the much more cheaply produced Criminal Intent, I highly doubt that she would have been hired onto Vanilla.

I'm pretty sure that the new "commanding officer of the detectives" character would have been filled by some mildly known B-list actor, as have nearly all the vacancies in Law & Order's history (with the notable exceptions of Dennis Farina and Jeff Goldblum).
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Old May 26 2010, 05:41 PM   #21
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Kathryn Erbe was axed from Criminal Intent due to budget cuts. If she was too expensive for the much more cheaply produced Criminal Intent, I highly doubt that she would have been hired onto Vanilla.
Isn't it the other way around? If the flagship had a higher budget, it would've been better able to afford a pricier actor.
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Old May 26 2010, 05:54 PM   #22
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Except that NBC's rationale for killing Law & Order was that it had become too expensive (to the point that it was trying to get TNT to fork out anywhere between a quarter and almost half -- depending on which source you believe -- of the production costs for Season 21) in light of plummeting ratings, and the budget had already been slashed in recent years (which resulted in Sam Waterston taking a significant pay cut and a lesser role in order to stay on the show). Given that Erbe's contract, after so many years, had to have been providing her rather significant compensation, I really don't think she would have been re-hired for Vanilla.
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Old May 26 2010, 06:33 PM   #23
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Kathryn Erbe was axed from Criminal Intent due to budget cuts.
Was she axed, or did she choose to leave when D'onfrio left? I haven't found anything saying either way.
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Old May 26 2010, 06:38 PM   #24
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I always assumed she chose to leave at the same time VDO did.
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Old May 26 2010, 07:07 PM   #25
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Kathryn Erbe was axed from Criminal Intent due to budget cuts.
Was she axed, or did she choose to leave when D'onfrio left? I haven't found anything saying either way.
D'Onofrio had been looking to leave the show for quite some time (which is why the "split detectives" concept was introduced, in order to induce him to stick around a while longer). Erbe had always been non-committal regarding her future. In interviews, at least, she had never conveyed any sentiment similar to the "we're a package deal" statements frequently espoused by Mariska Hargitay and Christopher Meloni over on SVU. No official statements have been given regarding her departure (it's rather telling that of the departed cast, only D'Onofrio has said "Yeah, I wanted to leave," while the others have remained silent), but if you read between the lines, given the dropping of the "split" detectives and the focus on Nichols, the hiring of a cheap (and terrible) actress in Saffron Burrows () and an equally cheap B-lister in Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio, coupled by the reports that Criminal Intent suffered yet another budget cut after last season, it's not too difficult to get the picture that the ax fell and costs were minimized.

I could be wrong, of course. The happiest answer is that Erbe decided her time was up and she wanted to bail. But when a show with such a poor financial history as Criminal Intent overhauls its entire cast, like seaQuest many moons ago (for example) ... well, you know what they say about smoke and fire.
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Then I guess this is not on the level...
Strange & improbable. Still, I'd be happy to hear it, since Trial by Jury was always my favorite of the spin-offs. (Although, you can't beat Conviction for eye-candy.)
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