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Old May 23 2010, 09:04 AM   #16
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Re: Star Trek Movie Adaptation #6 - Shatner deleted scene?

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Was that realistic for him to want? Any chance of him actually *getting* it?
I don't know. Doubtful, since a meatier role for Elderly Kirk would involve a convoluted reason for undoing his death in "Generations" and altering the script they had ready.

Nimoy tried the exact same strategy for "Generations". They refused to bump up his role. So he refused to take part. They handed the part to James Doohan without even changing the lines.
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Old May 23 2010, 03:20 PM   #17
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^ Which pretty much proved Nimoy's point, and validated his misgivings about the Spock (and McCoy) role in the film.
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Old May 23 2010, 04:28 PM   #18
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What I always thought was weird about that scene, after I found out, was that they almost rewrote it enough to cover it perfectly.

Checkov: I was never that young.
Kirk: No. You were younger.

Kirk: Keep things together until I get back.
Scotty: I always do.

But, then, they didn't...

Spock: But I do have a theory.
Kirk: I thought you might.
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Old May 24 2010, 07:49 AM   #19
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^ Which pretty much proved Nimoy's point, and validated his misgivings about the Spock (and McCoy) role in the film.
Exactly!

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they almost rewrote it enough to cover it perfectly.
I thought the most obvious line-swap was Chekov assigning the journalists to be medics in sickbay. That was an obvious McCoy line.

Chekov: I was never that young.
Kirk: No. You were younger.
Also, remember that until Chekov suddenly got some lines in the film, the officer who became Demora Sulu was going to be Chekov's daughter.
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Old May 24 2010, 09:56 PM   #20
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Re: Star Trek Movie Adaptation #6 - Shatner deleted scene?

Here's also hoping for a big omnibus with Countdown, Nero, the little story from Wired magazine and whatever else is out there. If we can't get it on DVD, I'd at least like it in print.



And I never had a problem with Scotty's and Chekov's lines in GEN. I just always thought it was indicative of them spreading their wings a little more, showing that they weren't just second tier Starfleet officers (even if they were considered second tier actors).
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Old May 25 2010, 02:14 PM   #21
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Here's also hoping for a big omnibus with Countdown, Nero, the little story from Wired magazine and whatever else is out there.
"Countdown" has already been single issues, a trade paperback omnibus and a hardcover reprint. The "Nero" and "Spock Reflections" mini-series have also already come out as separate trade collections. The "Wired" story hasn't been included anywhere as a reprint, but maybe "Wired" likes the idea of it being exclusive to them?
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Old May 25 2010, 08:58 PM   #22
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Here's also hoping for a big omnibus with Countdown, Nero, the little story from Wired magazine and whatever else is out there.
"Countdown" has already been single issues, a trade paperback omnibus and a hardcover reprint. The "Nero" and "Spock Reflections" mini-series have also already come out as separate trade collections. The "Wired" story hasn't been included anywhere as a reprint, but maybe "Wired" likes the idea of it being exclusive to them?
I guess I just like the idea of nice, big, hardbound compilations.

As for the Wired magazine thing, it was run once in a monthly magazine that might not have gotten that much exposure and there's quite a bit of precedent for stories that ran in magazines to be in later compilations. The exploits of a certain detective ancestor of Mr. Spock comes to mind, for instance.
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Old May 25 2010, 10:40 PM   #23
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there's quite a bit of precedent for stories that ran in magazines to be in later compilations.
Such as?
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Old May 25 2010, 11:30 PM   #24
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^Didn't you see the last sentence of Milo's post? He's referring to Sherlock Holmes. Indeed, a great deal of fiction from that time was originally published in magazines, such as the novels of Charles Dickens, which were originally serials (making their novel editions the equivalent of the modern comics trade paperback).
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Old May 26 2010, 02:24 AM   #25
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Here's also hoping for a big omnibus with Countdown, Nero, the little story from Wired magazine and whatever else is out there.
"Countdown" has already been single issues, a trade paperback omnibus and a hardcover reprint. The "Nero" and "Spock Reflections" mini-series have also already come out as separate trade collections. The "Wired" story hasn't been included anywhere as a reprint, but maybe "Wired" likes the idea of it being exclusive to them?
I guess I just like the idea of nice, big, hardbound compilations.
Things being previously released multiple times has never stopped IDW before!
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Re: Star Trek Movie Adaptation #6 - Shatner deleted scene?

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"Countdown" has already been single issues, a trade paperback omnibus and a hardcover reprint. The "Nero" and "Spock Reflections" mini-series have also already come out as separate trade collections. The "Wired" story hasn't been included anywhere as a reprint, but maybe "Wired" likes the idea of it being exclusive to them?
I guess I just like the idea of nice, big, hardbound compilations.
Things being previously released multiple times has never stopped IDW before!
That's their business model!

A monster hardcover would be nice, come to think of it. Countdown, then Nero, then the movie adaptation. (Spock: Reflections is less necessary.) I'd be down with that.
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Old May 26 2010, 03:04 PM   #27
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^Didn't you see the last sentence of Milo's post? He's referring to Sherlock Holmes.
Did Milo add that bit after I posted? I don't recall seeing it.
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Old May 26 2010, 04:49 PM   #28
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His post doesn't say it's been edited. Perhaps you didn't recognize the significance of the "certain ancestor of Mr. Spock" line. He's referring to the bit in TUC where Spock quotes Holmes' motto about eliminating the impossible and attributes it to an ancestor of his (though I choose to take that as a reference to Conan Doyle being his ancestor, since Holmes is clearly a fictional character within the Trekverse).
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Old May 26 2010, 09:36 PM   #29
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His post doesn't say it's been edited. Perhaps you didn't recognize the significance of the "certain ancestor of Mr. Spock" line. He's referring to the bit in TUC where Spock quotes Holmes' motto about eliminating the impossible and attributes it to an ancestor of his (though I choose to take that as a reference to Conan Doyle being his ancestor, since Holmes is clearly a fictional character within the Trekverse).
Aye. Spock's line works either way really, for me.

And I suppose I could count on the habit of publishers to re-release stuff like this. I'm just about done collecting the Dark Horse's TPB's of the old Star Wars Marvel comics, and now they start new omnibuses with more material.
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At least Dark Horse puts old, out-of-print (or never-even-collected) stuff in their Omnibi. IDW collects stuff that's still in print!
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